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dragos
Posted: February 09, 2005 12:33 pm
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Post here interesting pictures of weapons that were used by Romanian Army, photos you find on the Internet (mention the source link!)

ZB-53
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www.machinegundealer.com/dealer_samples.html


ZB model 1930
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Posted: February 09, 2005 04:19 pm
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Beretta pistol manufactured for Romanian army
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Posted: February 09, 2005 06:43 pm
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Degtyarev light machine gun
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http://www.sniper.nnov.ru

And photo of Romanian cavalry troops firing a captured DP machine gun (from book Armata romana 1941-1945, 1996)

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Posted: February 09, 2005 07:10 pm
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The second photo in the above post is scanned from Armata Romana 1941-45 by Scafes, Serbanescu & Co.
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mihai
Posted: February 12, 2005 12:48 pm
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Can This ZB light machine gun use ammunication as the same as Brengun?

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SIZE=7]ZB model 1930[/SIZE]
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Posted: February 12, 2005 01:56 pm
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Bren and ZB-30 were very similar, but the ammunition of ZB LMG was the standard 7.92mm rifle cartridge, while Bren used the .303 (7.7mm) standard calibre of British and Commonwealth armies.
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Posted: February 12, 2005 08:04 pm
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Some more modern arms...

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Posted: February 13, 2005 05:46 am
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C-2, let's keep the discussion around weapons used by the Romanian army.
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mihai
Posted: February 13, 2005 08:20 am
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QUOTE (C-2 @ Feb 12 2005, 08:04 PM)
Some more modern arms...

Is This is ammniton "Panzershurek"?

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Posted: February 13, 2005 08:21 am
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QUOTE (dragos @ Feb 12 2005, 01:56 PM)
Bren and ZB-30 were very similar, but the ammunition of ZB LMG was the standard 7.92mm rifle cartridge, while Bren used the .303 (7.7mm) standard calibre of British and Commonwealth armies.

Thank you

Did the Army use the captured BrenGun ?

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Posted: February 13, 2005 08:07 pm
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QUOTE (Victor @ Feb 13 2005, 05:46 AM)
C-2, let's keep the discussion around weapons used by the Romanian army.

THey were ....
My uncle use the Panzerfaust,and the 44 too.
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Cristian
Posted: February 14, 2005 01:28 pm
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Dragos,
if you hit the link to Beretta 1934 pistol you posted, you will see the right side of the gun.The serial number is the same as the one on the slide, but curve stamped (hand made!) and not accurate like the one on slide.You'll see also the BNP(Banco Nationale di Prova) mark wich is used on italian guns after 1950.I think the gun is a half-fake(an original romanian contract slide fitted on a common italian service pistol ).Also the blueing seems like a paint, not an oxyde surface,good for masking other alterations.I have 2 romanian contract Berettas ,and my brother have one, and BNP marks do not appear. All three pistols have stright and well marked serial numbers on frame.Conclusion: unjustified big price for the british seller!
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Posted: February 14, 2005 09:13 pm
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QUOTE (Cristian @ Feb 14 2005, 04:28 PM)
Dragos,
if you hit the link to Beretta 1934 pistol you posted, you will see the right side of the gun.The serial number is the same as the one on the slide, but curve stamped (hand made!) and not accurate like the one on slide.You'll see also the BNP(Banco Nationale di Prova) mark wich is used on italian guns after 1950.I think the gun is a half-fake(an original romanian contract slide fitted on a common italian service pistol ).Also the blueing seems like a paint, not an oxyde surface,good for masking other alterations.I have 2 romanian contract Berettas ,and my brother have one, and BNP marks do not appear. All three pistols have stright and well marked serial numbers on frame.Conclusion: unjustified big price for the british seller!

Thanks for your observation, but I'm no expert in handguns and I am not interested in the collectible weapons market, but only in the pictures. Since you seem to be knowledgeable in old guns, I have the following question. What does the red mark represent? I recall seeing it on different guns on the old weapons market, therefor I believe it does not belong to the original gun.
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Ruy Aballe
Posted: February 15, 2005 01:04 am
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Cristian is right. The pistol shows a dubious enamel finish, which is, as he stated correctly, a "wise guy" way of applying a camouflage layer over defects and other things. The British manufacturers (and to some extent, the Belgian arms industry, especially in some bolt-action and semi-auto rifles produced after the war, eg the FN-49) used an high quality baked enamel finish on some weapons, like late production Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.II rifles, adopted in 1947 and built until as late as 1954.
But this is clearly not the case with this Beretta 1934...
As for the red mark, Dragos, I suppose you mean the red dot just under the slide. It was common to use a red dot to mark the "fire" position of the safety. But I doubt this is an original example. It must have been re-painted well after the gun was refurbished.

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Posted: February 15, 2005 07:43 am
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You can also see the "F" (for FIRE position) mark near the red point.My pistol have the original paint red point, but, due the age alteration, the color turn brown...Ruy is right!
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