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Cantacuzino |
Posted: February 26, 2006 10:15 am
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Thanks for I.D. |
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Cantacuzino |
Posted: February 27, 2006 07:43 pm
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Cantacuzino |
Posted: February 27, 2006 07:53 pm
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Cantacuzino |
Posted: February 27, 2006 08:08 pm
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mihnea |
Posted: February 27, 2006 09:18 pm
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mihnea |
Posted: February 27, 2006 09:33 pm
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You are right, it's an Audi 920. |
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Cantacuzino |
Posted: February 28, 2006 02:49 am
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Bill Murray |
Posted: February 28, 2006 11:58 am
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Hi Guys:
I believ e your Audi is actually a Wander 23. Bill |
mihnea |
Posted: February 28, 2006 12:17 pm
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C-2 |
Posted: February 28, 2006 02:22 pm
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Audi?
I belive "Auto Union". Audi was created long after as a unification between Auto Union ,Horch,and NSU. |
mihnea |
Posted: February 28, 2006 03:25 pm
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In 1985 to be more exact. In 1932 Auto Union was created as a joined venture between Horch, Audi, DKW and Wanderer (I think now that the car posted by Cantacuzino is in fact a car built in two factories under different names: Audi 920 and Wanderer W23) after the war (1964) Auto Union name was dropped and the name used was "Audi NSU Auto-Union AG" until 1985 when it was changed to "Audi AG". Source: Wikipedia. |
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Bill Murray |
Posted: February 28, 2006 10:34 pm
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Hello again Gentlemen:
Yes, Auto Union was formed with DKW, Audi, Wander and Horch. The emblem mentioned here was seen on every frontal photo that I have of the first three cars but not Horch. I assume as Horch was their luxury brand. It was three rings that I have always assumed meant the union of the first three companies. As to the photo in question, not to start any argument, but the grille on the Audi had horizontal bars and on the Wanderer they were vertical. The Audi grille was more or less straight on the edges from top to bottom, the Wanderer had a slight but noticeable inward curve as it came to the bottom. The Audi hood/bonnet had a very different appearance where it mated with the top of the grille. On the Wanderer it has a very distinctive clamshell mating. Hard to describe but you can see the difference in photos of the two cars. I still believe the car here is a Wanderer. Bill |
Agarici |
Posted: March 01, 2006 08:13 am
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The things seem to be a bit more complex, as you can see below. The name Audi appeared in 1909-1910 (as a name for a car manufacturing company and for its products) and was used until WW 2, to start again being used in 1965. Sorry, the text is available in Romanian only. Source: the official Audi motor company (Romanian branch) website, http://www.audi.ro/historie.php
"Putini stiu ca cele 'patru inele' - simbolul prezent pe fiecare automobil marca Audi - reprezinta semnul distinctiv al unuia dintre cei mai vechi producatori de automobile din Germania. Acesta simbolizeaza fuziunea in 1932 a patru producatori de autovehicule independenti pana la momentul respectiv: Audi, DKW, Horch si Wanderer. Ei se afla la originea actualei AUDI AG." "In anul 1909 au aparut neintelegeri intre August Horch si Consiliul de Administratie al uzinelor de automobile A. Horch & Cie. AG. Horch a parasit intreprinderea fondata de el. La scurt timp, la 16 iulie 1909, a infiintat in acelasi oras o a doua intreprindere, uzinele de automobile Horch GmbH. Litigiul privind numele a fost pierdut de Horch. Solutia problemei: traducerea numelui sau ("horch"= asculta, auzi) in latina ("audi"). La 25 aprilie 1910 noua denumire a firmei, Audiwerke GmbH, a obtinut personalitate juridica." "Una din cursele cele mai cunoscute ale acelor ani a fost Cursa Internationala a Alpilor Austrieci. In anul 1911, August Horch a participat pentru prima data la aceasta cursa cu un Audi si a castigat locul intai. Acest lucru l-a incurajat si, intre anii 1912 si 1914, a concurat impreuna cu o echipa Audi in aceasta competitie. Rezultatele nu au intarziat sa apara: in toti cei trei ani, Audi a castigat premiul pe echipe. La 27 iunie 1914, pilotilor Audi le-a fost inmanata Cupa Alpilor, ca urmare a celor trei victorii consecutive." "La 29 iunie 1932, cele patru marci de autovehicule din Saxonia, Audi, DKW, Horch si Wanderer au fuzionat, formand Auto Union AG cu sediul in Chemnitz. Noul concern a putut astfel sa deserveasca toate segmentele de piata, de la motocicleta usoara si pana la limuzina de lux." βLa Salonul Auto de la Berlin - 1933, Auto Union SA (Auto Union AG) a prezentat cu noul Audi, primul ei automobil de clasa medie cu tractiune fata. Pentru prima data s-a facut uz de un fel de sistem modular si s-a utilizat motorul Wanderer in sase cilindri.β β1965 - numele Audi renaste. Odata cu trecerea la concernul Volkswagen, la Auto Union s-au incheiat toate lucrarile la motorul in doi timpi. Un motor in patru timpi cu patru cilindri - un asa-numit motor de presiune medie -, dezvoltat anterior sub regia Daimler-Benz, a fost montat pe ultimul model DKW F 102 si prezentat in vara anului 1965 ca Audi." "La 26 noiembrie 1968, Auto Union a invitat distribuitorii si presa la Stadttheater din Ingolstadt: a fost prezentat noul concept Audi 100. Cu noul model dezvoltat de directorul tehnic dr. Ludwig Kraus, Audi a patruns pentru prima data in segmentul de piata disputat al clasei medii superioare. Audi 100 a ajuns rapid un bestseller si a devenit baza unei noi generatii Audi, care a asigurat autonomia marcii Audi pentru viitor." "In martie 1969, NSU Motorenwerke AG, preluate cu putin timp inainte de VW, au fuzionat cu Auto Union GmbH din Ingolstadt formand Audi NSU Auto Union AG cu sediul in Neckarsulm." "1985 Audi NSU Auto Union AG devine AUDI AG. Dupa incetarea productiei modelului Ro 80 in 1977, s-a renuntat la folosirea numelui NSU pentru denumirea produsului. Cu incepere de la 1 ianuarie 1985, Audi NSU Auto Union AG a primit denumirea de AUDI AG. Totodata, societatea si-a mutat sediul de la Neckarsulm la Ingolstadt. Din acest moment, produsele si societatea poarta acelasi nume." This post has been edited by Agarici on March 01, 2006 02:51 pm |
Bill Murray |
Posted: March 01, 2006 12:30 pm
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I would like to correct my earlier post.
The Auto Union badge has 4 not 3 rings, thus representing all four companies. Also, further book and photo research shows that many but not all Horch photos I found last night also had the Auto Union badge. Sorry for my mis-information but I think I have it correct now. Bill |
C-2 |
Posted: March 08, 2006 06:40 pm
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