Buying WW2 weapons

[Cristian]

[QUOTE] don't think anyone will go robbing a bank with an mg 42 or a Bren.
With a Colt .45/1911,a Walter PPK or other WW2 revolvers you can be a real danger to the police force armed with the "famous"Carpati.

I own those guns as collector items(the pistols).To obtain a weapon collector permit is not easy,but is (still )legal.As collector, you are not aloud to own any live ammo for those weapons,so you can not shoot them, even they are in working order.Why do you think that anyone who legally own a weapon will be automatically a real danger for the public safety?Why the 80,000 hunters in Romania are NOT robbing people and banks with sawed off shotguns?

[REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR]

I would be more concerned about all the Soviet Kalishnikovs floating around the streets of Eastern Europe. I was in Hungary the first few months after their border opened up. The Soviets were still in the country, but the country was turned over to the Hungarians. I was in the company of a Major in Hungarian Military Intellegence whos job was to process the Soviets out of the country. We came across many situations were Soviets both soldiers and officers were trading their weapons for Western goods like Levi pants and tennis shoes. Their seemed to me no accountability or inventory control by the Soviets. The Hungarian Major I was with personally had 10 or 12 automatic weopons displayed on the wall of his apartment.

[Cristian]

C-2 talked about to legally owned collector short weapons as dangerous to public safety, not to those illegaly owned.I own a MP40 and I know other romanian collectors who own MPs , even LMGs.

[^All^]

Hmmmmmmmmm.....I think that if you really want to do something bad, you don't need a gun for that, nowadays it's much more interesting in blowing up something. To make a bomb you just need disel (motorina) and chemical fertilazer (azotat de amoniu). So what's the point in extracting the firing mecanism of a gun just to be a "arma de panoplie"?

[C-2]

For a colector,an MP 40 is pure gold,and he'll treat it as a colection item.
For a non colector or a delicvent it's a weapon that kills as all other weapons.
In a country like Rom,where people that should't step by the wheel,since they suffer from psihological illnesses,and nobody check them to see if they realy fit.
With some "connections" and some money,almost anyone will get a "arma de panoplie"and we all gonna wear anti bullet jakets(a good one 750E,but doesn't protect the head) .

[Cristian]

C-2, I need to say that a gun collector permit in Romania involves the same medical check forms as any firearm owner. The medical form is submit to renewal every 3 years.And why do you think every criminal or lunatic will apply with "connections "and tips to obtain a gun licence, when is easier to obtain a NON REGISTERED,NEW and CHEAPER weapon from the black market?I think your fear is generated because you have nothing in common with gun owning,right?

[C-2]

Cristian,
I actualy own a gun (with permit).
I fired more fire arms than you possible imagine.
I fired arms that you don't know they exist...
I just know too many persons that own a gfun with licence and I wouldn't give them even a pocket knife due to their psihiatric condition.
The medical chekings (and I'm telling you as a Doctor) are good for nothing.

[^All^]

It seams we're back to the beginings.....why do you need to have a permit to own a gun if you can buy it from the black market and no one will check you if it's legal or not, and if you have the papers if there's good or just fake.

[C-2]

Explain me where can I buy a gun at the "black market"!
Where is that Market?
You talk about the black market as if it was Bucur Obor...
Comiting a crime with a non registred gun gives you twice the time in jail!
You go to jail even if you have a gun in your possesion without a permit.

[^All^]

You don't have to look for the black market...it looks for you. But you missed my point. I'm not saying that it's better to just buy a weapon and don't get a permit...I'm saying that the authorities don't do nothing to stop this. From what I'm seeing they are almost encouraging it. Where on Earth did you hear that if a police officer is fired upon he has to fire warning shots, the american police rules are simple in these cases shoot to kill. In Romania if a policeman wounds a criminal he can go to jail for that, where's the law?

[C-2]

I don't see what it has to do with our problem....
In the US there are many cases of policemen who killed unarmed citizens thinking their cellphone was a gun.
In countries with easy arms laws ,like US and Germany ,happened that teenager kids took their parents weapons and killed and woonded dozens of teachers and students.There are schools that people pass a metal detector at the school entrence..
Just see the dif in crime between the US and Canada.

[^All^]

I'm not saying that a policeman has to shoot at someone just if he suspect that person has a weapon, I'm saying that our cops can't defend themselves if someone fires upon them.

[C-2]

I agree!

[Victor]

Let's get back on topic.

[^All^]

Roger that Victor
I'm sorry if I held my posision to stuburnly C-2

This post has been edited by ^All^ on February 02, 2005 10:17 pm