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C-2	Posted: September 27, 2004 06:50 pm
General Medic Group: Hosts Posts: 2453 Member No.: 19 Joined: June 23, 2003	The famous German Fighter pilot(the first to reach the 200 kills)Hermann Graf was ann instructor for the ARR pilots from 14.Oct.1940. Any more details?

Der Maresal	Posted: September 28, 2004 04:15 pm
Sublocotenent Group: Banned Posts: 422 Member No.: 21 Joined: June 24, 2003	Graf wore Romanian decorations. I have a quality photograph of him wearing Ro. medals. Let me get back home (im at college,) and I will scan it and post it here. In the book by Clemente Muresan, he mentions Graf as a great pilot, shooter, and "knight" with more then 200 aerial victories. a book in german language suggests he claimed 200 victories in 13 months. This post has been edited by Der Maresal on September 28, 2004 04:18 pm

Victor	Posted: September 28, 2004 08:04 pm
Admin Group: Admin Posts: 4350 Member No.: 3 Joined: February 11, 2003	Hermann Graf was part of the III/JG 52, which was based on Pipera airfield together with Grupul 7 Vanatoare in 1940 and 1941 (with the interuption of the 1941 Balkan campaign). What details do you want?

C-2	Posted: September 28, 2004 08:13 pm
General Medic Group: Hosts Posts: 2453 Member No.: 19 Joined: June 23, 2003	Anything interesting.

Victor	Posted: September 28, 2004 09:09 pm
Admin Group: Admin Posts: 4350 Member No.: 3 Joined: February 11, 2003	About what? Be more specific. If you are interested in Graf, just type his name in Google and you will get tons of links.

C-2	Posted: September 28, 2004 09:21 pm
General Medic Group: Hosts Posts: 2453 Member No.: 19 Joined: June 23, 2003	Anything conected to the time he was an instructor in Romania. Like Dobran told us about Lipfert. Who were his "students",funny tales etc.

Dénes	Posted: September 29, 2004 07:42 pm
Admin Group: Admin Posts: 4368 Member No.: 4 Joined: June 17, 2003	There is a large book published recently, written by Christer Bergström, titled: "Graf & Grislawski. A Pair of Aces": There should be some stories from Rumania in that book. Gen. Dénes

C-2	Posted: September 29, 2004 07:46 pm
General Medic Group: Hosts Posts: 2453 Member No.: 19 Joined: June 23, 2003	How can I buy it?

Dénes

Posted: September 29, 2004 09:57 pm

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QUOTE (C-2 @ Sep 30 2004, 01:46 AM)

How can I buy it?

http://www.eagle-editions.com/grafgris.htm

Gen. Dénes

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Posted: September 30, 2004 06:11 am

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BTW, this topic has already been discussed earlier. In short, both the classical 'Rumania' and the recently used 'Romania' is correct and currently accepted in formal English language.

This I know

it was a personal question adressed to you (since you also come from this part of the world and I bet you know where our name comes from :] ).But I guess is not that important

The deleted message was: anyone knows what was the reason Graaf was wearing the romanian decorations ?

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Posted: September 30, 2004 12:58 pm

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QUOTE (D13-th_Mytzu @ Sep 30 2004, 08:11 AM)

The deleted message was: anyone knows what was the reason Graaf was wearing the romanian decorations ?

The III/JG 52 operated over Romanian territory in 1941. In August he received the Virtutea Aeronautica Order Gold Cross class for the air combats over Dobruja and the Romanian seaside

Iamandi	Posted: September 30, 2004 01:16 pm
General de divizie Group: Members Posts: 1386 Member No.: 319 Joined: August 04, 2004	Any details about that? He obtained victorys in that region? Some details? { Off topic: At my grand parents and aunts (matushi) homes, in Tulcea, Macin and Jijila (Northen Dobrudja) i played with tubes/cartouces from artilery projectiles. My grandmother says me about an AAA unit in his ... "curte". My relatives, even today, uses this tubs for "ascutitul sapelor" fixed in lumber - like an "ad-hoc" anvil} Iama

Dénes	Posted: September 30, 2004 04:04 pm
Admin Group: Admin Posts: 4368 Member No.: 4 Joined: June 17, 2003	Message transferred to the proper thread. Dénes This post has been edited by Dénes on September 30, 2004 04:08 pm

Victor	Posted: September 30, 2004 07:30 pm
Admin Group: Admin Posts: 4350 Member No.: 3 Joined: February 11, 2003	The Royal decree is for several German airmen, not only for Graf and does not have a proprio motto besides the mention of those pilot's activity over Dobruja. III/JG 52 did score kills against VVS bombers in that area as did I(J)/LG 2. However, I do not know how many Graf claimed.

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QUOTE (Iamandi @ Sep 30 2004, 07:16 PM)

Any details about that? He obtained victorys in that region?

Lt. Hermann Graf did not achieve any victory over Rumania in 1941.
His first confirmed victory was on Aug. 4, 1941 over an I-16 shot down 10 km S-SE of Kiev, in the Ukraine.

Gen. Dénes

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