Danube Delta and the Ucrainean actions in Oct 2004

A response must be proportionate to the threat level. If NATO went to war for any semblance of border clash we would be running toward Armageddon. Actually when you look at what has been necessary in the past to trigger NATO intervention, it's been quite heavy. And of course all diplomatic course of action must have been attempted, preceded by repeated warnings, etc.

Ukrainian tanks are not yet rolling toward Bucharest

Chandernagore,

Ukrainian Tanks will hopefully not be invading Bucherest ever! And If came down that I faith that Romania no matter how poorly they were equipped would someone stop them dead in their tracks. No offense to the Ukrianians, I am sure they are brave themselfs. But if start building up your military at the monment that being, it will be far too late to matter. The best way to avoid war is to strong enough so that knowone would dare mess you. I'am not suggesting that NATO should decide gang up on attack the Ukraine, as it did in Serbia. NATO however has an obligation to support Romania politicaly and to it modernize its military.

Thank You

IMO I don't think that will be a millitary conflict between Romania and Ukraine regarding Danube channels.
Please also find some quite "old" news:
http://www.pressreview.ro/articol.php?a=888&s=2&ss=-1

This post has been edited by Dani on October 26, 2004 11:30 am

Stephen, wat you say is ... SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM.

We dont have nothing with ukrainian people. In our history we have over 95 % in action of defence. Just in ww2 after entering in russian country (after freeing Basarabia) and some expedition of DACIA fighters in south - is all i had remember.


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I would also mention Basarab I (fighting against tartars in Bessarabia), Mircea (expeditions against the ottomans before any attack of the latter being performed), Stefan cel Mare (countless expeditions in Poland, Transylvania, Tara Romaneasca, trying to catch Petru Aron or imposing a new leadership), Petru Rares (transylvanian expedition), Alexandru Lapusneanul and Petru cel Bun (joint transylvanian expedition), Stefan IV (the war of 1509 against Radu cel Mare or the polish expeditions), Vlad Tepes and Mihai Viteazul, the 1919 hungarian campaign, the WW1, the WW2....

That's a lot of offensive behaviour...and no, Mihai Viteazul just did not defend his realm (being the puppet of the ottomans then raising his armies against them is part of an offensive) and Stefan cel Mare fought against the valachians with as much bitterness as against the turks (seeing how he burned Braila or how with each turkish expedition the valachian lord placed by him on the throne accompanied with all his men...)

also during the siege of Vienna, valachians were there ( on the turkish side ), and in 1877 they attacked south of the danube, and in 1918 they occupied budapest and so on....

Thanks for refreshing my memory!
Thanks Alexandru H for a new representation in your counter Mihai Viteazul!



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Alexandru H, and mg 42...

When a nation / state, bla-bla.. atacked an enemy of the "cross" , ok, an no. 1 world enemy (or no. 2) like at that time Otoman Empire, or tatars, he do an opression war, or a pre-emptive strike ( ) in a deffensive plan?
Wars of local leaders one-against-other/others, is an intern affair. It happens everywere.
Maybe we need to be shame for a single thing: Alexandru Ioan Cuza.


My preffered leader is Ioan Voda Cel Viteaz. And he had allies of cossacks, one of the great nation of warriors. Where is the cossacks now? In Ukraine! Our old allyed one.

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You know, that is pure bullshit, forgive my bullshit counter. When you judge a war by its ethical values, you are no better than any tyrant out there who secures his power by going to an unnecessary war. There is no oppression or freedom war. There is only a won or a lost war, offensive and defensive. If you attack by saying that you were afraid, that doesn't mean you were right or wrong (that sort of argument only works in court, where you least have a judge...where is the judge in the case of a 15th century war), it just means that you had the guts of taking the matters into your own hands.

Stefan cel Mare and Mihai Viteazul weren't peace loving pussies, as all modern historians try to picture. They did not request help from the west to defend themselves, but to destroy in an offensive war the ottoman armies...and even conquering Istanbul. Likewise for Ioan cel Cumplit, whose first action was not to sit tight in his bunker and await the same scrooge that had placed him on the throne...No, he went into Wallachia and replaced the current hospodar with one that fullfilled his expectations...

You know when we became such pussies? When we realised, in the 18th century, that we are unable to accomplish anything...so we went to other foreign powers (Austria, Russia, France, Germany, UE) to request help, based on our long lineage of peace-loving rulers (yea, right!). Even that homosexual Radu cel Frumos had the guts of fighting with Stefan cel Mare and Vlad Tepes...good for him...it's good to see that tradition down the drain with the current leaders.... Maybe an internet site called worldwar2.ro was possible, one called curentwar.ro, with the_candidate_with_four_houses_which_grew_up_in_Colentina_and_knows_how_to_fight as the head of the armed forces will for sure beat the famed Potato War...

This post has been edited by Alexandru H. on October 30, 2004 02:44 pm

I am an offensive wallachian. And proud of that. I regret just we hadn't an Empire and that in this country aren't so many who are thinking like me.

Yes, you are right. It's quite stupid to picture our grandfathers, who were nothing like us, the blubbering pussy-idiots, as some UE comissaries who ony defend themselves and their poverty (by the way, the moldavians and the wallachians were not exactly poor in the 15th century, due to the cattle and sheep herding, but they became like that when they refused to carry arms and attack the m.f. ottomans)....

I am more proud about Stefan cel Mare who, in search for Petru Aron, had the courage of entering Poland and Transylvania without receiving any access... Go Stefane!

Let's go back to current events and leave Stefan cel Mare and Mihai Viteazul for another topic.

Jurnalul National from today:
http://www.jurnalul.ro/modules.php?op=modl...order=0&thold=0

Multraship - a Holland company - will rise the wreck of Rostock till the end of this year accordingly to the contract signed with Romanian authorities.
A crane-ship left yesterday Constanta harbour to Sulina channel.

This post has been edited by Dani on November 02, 2004 09:29 am

A new artcile in romanian press. Today in "Gardianul". In first page of the site www.gardianul.ro, and the costs... 76 mil. euro for this operation.

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And another link to the press, today "Jurnalul National" - "Se ingroasa gluma cu Bistroe" at

http://www.jurnalul.ro/modules.php?op=modl...=17107&topic=32


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