Contemporary Wars

I was comparing the similar dynamics of the 'exporting' countries and of the exporting process, not the 2 completely different though exported systems.
I was also comparing something else (and I took it as a most interesting coincidence between the 2 'exporting' countries), though obviously I am not allowed to do that, afterall, its democracy.

Want some exemples of character assassination by the neocon ? I thought you would know there is no lack of it, dear.

I understand, dear, that you have no argument but how do manage to write so much without ever tackling the problem. Bushtalk ?

Ok, I will clarify the discussion (not for you, you are not interested) :

- McPeak says US prepares long term basing in Irak
- I ask if this is true
- You say yes, nothing wrong with it because, er... well.. mmm.. because it's "long term" strategy !
- I say long term strategy can be right or wrong
- You babble some off-topic Bushtalk. Reason remains unknown.

You may pretend so but I will not believe you

The only frustration I see here is yours. When a gorilla farts in the rain forest, Bush takes credit 30 minutes later. And you would like the world to stop thinking. How frustrating that it doesn't.

The neocons are botching/developping (make your choice) a foreign strategy for the ME. We all understand that when US corporate interests or some geostrategic need dictates it the US can support either
1) Dictatures
2) Democracies
The second is prefered but the first can perfectly fit the bill if it gives better results.

The idea that the objective is either dictature or democracy in itself is so childish that only a red state brainstormed neocon can buy it without asking questions. They don't need questions they have faith in Great Leader.

This post has been edited by Chandernagore on March 05, 2005 02:12 pm

True! How true! How could I not think of it?! Goddamn US covert ops! They're everywhere in Beirut! And everyone buys it!
/panic attack off

Seriously now, you were kidding, right? Because look, Chandernagore here thinks the americans have no merit whatsoever in (exempli gratia) the lebanese evolutions of late. So why don't the two of you settle this out while I have a cup of coffee and enjoy the ensuing debate?

Attchd photo - tens of thousands of perfectly conspirated US covert ops in Beirut, Lebanon:

This post has been edited by valachus on March 05, 2005 04:23 pm

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You seem to mix the result with the covert ops. If you keep ideologically-emotionally rejecting anything that seems to contradict the pre-fabricated image of reality that an ideology creates, then go ahead.
I did not emphatically say there were covert ops, but I did not exclude the possibility, as the world is far more complex and shadowy than 'uniformed'.
Note that Hariri's assassination has not yet been investigated.
You may say, boy, its pretty clear it was Syria, they were the ones to gain the most, they were asked by Hariri to evacuate their troops, Assad is a dictator etc.
And I'll say its a conspiracy theory! You have no proof, the investigation is not even over, no details etc. Just possible intent, interest, who gains the most trail of thought... Which is a conspiracy theory mockingly reject by you any other day.
Now enlighten me with your objectivity - on what basis to you reject some and accept other conspiracy theories? How can you be so sure of what happened if not because it fits with your ideological view of the world?

take care

This post has been edited by Imperialist on March 05, 2005 05:35 pm

Chandernagore, avoid peiorativ or derogatory towards other members.

Oh, dear, the Syrian goes in, withdraw, enter, run around the Bekaa valley, quit Lebanon it's a multiple decades long game of political influence. History does not begin with King W and does not end there. What merit there is in the current development goes essentially to the Lebanese. I believe it's they who are taking the real risks. Not Great Leader.

Well I suggest that you do some learning about the French and English democratic systems - for a good start - and then come back explain how the US fathered them both. Soon we will learn how the craddle of civilization was Washington DC where language, writing and culture were discovered

Otherwise I don't intend to play child games with you and fight over who did what first.

Chandernagore, you have a final warning to drop the peiorativ tone.

Oh ? So some can use it freely with me and - curiously- I'm not allowed to reply in kind ?

I grow tired of you constantly hanging on my boots. Get off and start moderating with an equal hand.

You seem to mix the result with the covert ops. If you keep ideologically-emotionally rejecting anything that seems to contradict the pre-fabricated image of reality that an ideology creates, then go ahead.
I did not emphatically say there were covert ops, but I did not exclude the possibility, as the world is far more complex and shadowy than 'uniformed'.
Note that Hariri's assassination has not yet been investigated.
You may say, boy, its pretty clear it was Syria, they were the ones to gain the most, they were asked by Hariri to evacuate their troops, Assad is a dictator etc.
And I'll say its a conspiracy theory! You have no proof, the investigation is not even over, no details etc. Just possible intent, interest, who gains the most trail of thought... Which is a conspiracy theory mockingly reject by you any other day.
Now enlighten me with your objectivity - on what basis to you reject some and accept other conspiracy theories? How can you be so sure of what happened if not because it fits with your ideological view of the world?

take care

Well, if the Syrians did it, it wouldn't be the first time they shot themselves in the foot. Theirs doesn't seem to be the most coherent government in the world.

I just think the Lebanon situation is interesting because for the first time in recent history, the French are re-engaging in the area. And look who with!!

BTW, in that crowd photo, I definitely saw some guys in berets, smoking Gauloise cigarettes.

I just can't wait for the first "down with King Chirac" post.

Chandernagore, if one wants to understand the mystery of America, one should start with its beginnings:

You can read the whole article at : http://muweb.millersville.edu/~columbus/data/art/WEST-02.ART

And also:

http://muweb.millersville.edu/~columbus/da...rt/WESTKLN2.ART

Columbus was an evangelical and evangelism was more the rule in American leadership rather than the exception. He seems also to have been greatly admired at Yale University later on... hmm... arent Bush and Cheney Yale graduates?

take care

Now that all makes a little more sense, suddenly

Ohh, absolutely. No doubt in my mind that the French have their guys on the ground in Lebanon! As do the Iranians and the Israelis... I'm not ideologically picking my covert ops participants.
Personally I doubt the Syrians did it. They'd be really dumb, and considering the degree in which they are vilified, one wonders why do it that way?? Probably they never heard of the bulgarian assassination techniques during the cold war?
I can imagine their secret service: "Mr. Assad, we have cyanide and we have 1,000 pounds of TNT. What do you think?" Mr. Assad: "Whatever... By the way I want a good show on TV tonight, I'm with a chick, you know... " "Dont worry Mr. Assad, a show it will be"

Ohh, absolutely. No doubt in my mind that the French have their guys on the ground in Lebanon! As do the Iranians and the Israelis... I'm not ideologically picking my covert ops participants.
Personally I doubt the Syrians did it. They'd be really dumb, and considering the degree in which they are vilified, one wonders why do it that way?? Probably they never heard of the bulgarian assassination techniques during the cold war?
I can imagine their secret service: "Mr. Assad, we have cyanide and we have 1,000 pounds of TNT. What do you think?" Mr. Assad: "Whatever... By the way I want a good show on TV tonight, I'm with a chick, you know... " "Dont worry Mr. Assad, a show it will be"

well, there r those think the Syrians are maybe not so much dumb as incoherent, given to working at cross purposes. I'm no expert, but I never rule out the ascendancy of human stupidity, be it in the bedroom or the boardroom.

U seem to suggest Assad was working BOTH these at the same time. hmmmm. probably would not be unique...I was just reading about Mitterand and his affairs...then too, there was that U.S. president not too long ago with....well, u know the story......

See? I'm telling u, the U.S. and the French r in it together...that proves my conspiracy theory.
haha cheers

Chandernagore, if one wants to understand the mystery of America, one should start with its beginnings:

You can read the whole article at : http://muweb.millersville.edu/~columbus/data/art/WEST-02.ART

And also:

http://muweb.millersville.edu/~columbus/da...rt/WESTKLN2.ART

Columbus was an evangelical and evangelism was more the rule in American leadership rather than the exception. He seems also to have been greatly admired at Yale University later on... hmm... arent Bush and Cheney Yale graduates?

take care

Bush barely graduated....was a party hardy, "gentleman's C" student. Cheney dropped or flunked out, I can't remember which.
Clinton (both of them) were the Yale brain children...wonks to end!
also, Kerry was a Yalie....smart guy, head of the debating team,,really good debater...look where it got him,, hahah.

Re Columbus/Yale: Yale has in its possesion "the Vinland map", bought by one of it's alums, finanacier Paul Mellon, it was thought to establish the Vikings as the discoverers of America. He unveiled the map on Columbus' Day, back in the 60's, caused quite a flap with Italian-American community vs the university.

Unfortunately, the map was shown to be a very elaborate fake. I guess Eric the Red was not sufficiently evangelist.
Sorry this TOTALLY offtopic post, but i see it's about 03:00 in Europe and u guys r still logged in over there, so u deserve it..
cheers