Contemporary Wars

When We the People say "no more, thx"?

Iama

When GI Joe says "go hug a tree"

i am not convinced...the GI's are the worst possible political agents. remember vietnam...

Is too non-romanian joke... What means?

Iama

Edit: and why only GI John is supposed to do something? We are a lot, and US is just only one country...

Edit 2: I not say to go to war with US. But a massive revolt/manifestation with a slogan "Enough, Uncle Sam! We don't like your atitude!"

This post has been edited by Iamandi on May 20, 2005 09:13 am

so cool
and we would be smoking pot, engage in free sex and chant peace anthems....

hmmmm, that sounds familiar....

free sex? nice! you see something like woodstock in my words?

Iama

exactly... too bad those guys did not do nothing except that...

also, if you want a detailed image of the 60's and the 70's inside America, watch a documentary called WEATHER UNDERGROUND, about one of the terrorist organisation of teenagers who successfully bombed a lot of building and were not caugh, most turned themselves in at the beginning of the 80's.

you will see Black panthers there, you will see how the government (in)directly murderd a lot of black leaders like they did to Fred Hampton and others....

nice picture about the " cradle of democracy"

This post has been edited by Indrid on May 20, 2005 10:21 am

"too bad" - Indrid, is not so bad to ...

Anyway, i think they were manipulated to other ways, just too loose credibility, etc. Just to be stop it.

Iama

Oh yes the GI is a political agent. Sometimes the most important and also the less voluntary. It's a body bag issue. There is always a body bag density issue. The treshold may vary with the administrations or the nature of the war so we don't really know when the bug out will start. But it will occur. I will make a wild guess : 2010. Then the time will come to assess the results. We're already so deep in the red zone that any anyone with a modicum of good sense would have cut and run. But not Bush, not yet. See, he doesn't pay the bill. And GOD talks to him, to George. Georges, the straggler from the Vietnam era, the draft dodger. HE tells him things you know...

The cosmic farce.

Iraqi public opinion has been polled repeatedly since the beginning of the occupation by a variety of firms. Their findings leave no doubt about the main contours of Iraqi sentiment regarding the occupation:

1. On balance, Iraqis oppose the US presence in Iraq, and those who strongly oppose it greatly outnumber those who strongly support it.

2. US troops in Iraq are viewed broadly as an occupying force, not peacekeepers or liberators.

3. On balance, Iraqis do not trust US troops, think they have behaved badly, and - one way or another - hold them responsible for much of the violence in the nation.

4. There is significant popular support for attacks on US forces, and this support probably grew larger during the course of 2004, at least among Sunni Arabs.

5. A majority of Iraqis want coalition forces to leave within a year or less. Formation of a permanent government early in 2006 is the "tipping point" after which a very large majority of Iraqis may desire immediate withdrawal.

Project on Defense Alternatives Research Monograph #10
Carl Conetta
18 May 2005

But how the hell is this possible ? Do they not badly need freedom and democracy ?

Historical hint :

Even Napoleon Bonaparte expected during his 1799 campaign in Egypt and Syria that his army would "increase with the discontented" and "armed masses" of the region because, in accord with the principles of the French revolution, he sought "the abolition of slavery and of the tyrannical government of the pashas".6 As it turned out, the oppressed masses did not flock to Napoleon's standard. Eight years later he was similarly disappointed in Spain. He entered the country proclaiming that "With my banner bearing the words 'Liberty and Emancipation from Superstition, I shall be regarded as the liberator of Spain." Instead, the Spanish resistance tied down hundreds of thousands of French troops for 5 years, sapping the empire and exposing it to easy attack by the British. (Not incidentally, the Spanish war popularized the term guerilla or "small war" among the British.) It mattered not one wit that the French political and economic system were in many ways preferable to both that of the Ottomans and that of the Spanish. What decided the popular response to Napoleon was his means of engagement: war, conquest, and occupation.

Hmm... I see you've been at mr. Roske's course...

Come on guys, the atmosphere here is so thick that it gives me diziness.

[edit -- thick as in too many anti-american stereotypes - and I mean those about vietnam, I guess...]

This post has been edited by Imperialist on May 20, 2005 03:51 pm

actually i did not attend any of Roske's courses...

nobody told me about these things i found out for myself

then you should have. it had pretty funny details about the flower-power generation and the weather underground movement/group. they were weird people...

hmmmmmm...my girlfriend says he is totally boring
she is also a student there....