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Erich Hartmann in Roumania, Erich Hartmann| alexkdl |
Posted: November 14, 2004 02:24 am
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Can anyone help me with details and photos on Erich Hartmann detachment to Roumania ? where was he stationed in Boucharest ? Any photos and memoires? From Boucharest he shot down 5 P-51's and 2 Liberators over Roumania but where ? and damaged several other 8th AF Bombers ..I have some gun camera photos though on his bio there are no details in depth about his squadron location and photos .
Any help will be appreciated Al |
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| Victor |
Posted: November 14, 2004 10:58 am
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9./JG 52 operated from Husi airfield, not Bucharest. The P-51s belonged to the 15th Air Force, stationed in Italy. The 8th AF was in the UK and a flight all the way to Romania from there was impossible.
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| alexkdl |
Posted: November 14, 2004 02:08 pm
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Many thanks, though if I am not wrong even the P-51's and P-38 stationed in Foggia were part of the mighty 8th air force isnt? I knew that the escort fighters would have never made it from sofar Thanks Alex |
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| Dénes |
Posted: November 14, 2004 05:18 pm
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III./JG 52 operated in Rumania from the following airfields, in 1944: 6.4.44 - 9.4.44 Roman 11.5.44 - 17.5.44 Zarnesti 18.5.44 - 27.6.44 Roman
On August 8, 1944, 73 8th AAF B-17s, as well as 55 4th and 357th F.G. P-51s attacked Buzau and Zilistea airfields on their way back to England (via Italy), coming from the USSR. Lt. Col. Dénes |
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| Bernard Miclescu |
Posted: November 14, 2004 05:21 pm
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And about Hartmann's life what book could you suggest?
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| Victor |
Posted: November 14, 2004 07:11 pm
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It seems I didn 't consider the indirect route through Italy. I suppose that the Zarnesti mentioned above is not the one near Rasnov or is it? I remember Dobran mentioned seeing Hartmann on Husi, but then again that airfield was a secondary one, used for temporary deployments IIRC. |
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| alexkdl |
Posted: November 14, 2004 09:19 pm
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Hello Victor I met Eric Hartman in 1992 a year prior his death at Weil Im Schoenenbuch in Baden Wuertunberg which is just 2 1/2 drive from Basel Switzerland where I live ......he mentioned little about the time he was in Roumania , how long he was there what airfiled and where did he live as well the pilots he met from ARR ...he spoke mostly about his time he spent in Russia with JG52 and his detention overthere which seems to have followed him though the death....I have been in touch with other JG52 who were in Roumania and little or nothing at all I could find about Erics Roumania time who was the greastest fighter pilot of all times,may his memories be blessed Best Wishes Aleex Attached Image  |
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| alexkdl |
Posted: November 14, 2004 09:34 pm
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HERE IS A PHOTOS OF ERICS AIRKILL OF AN AIRACOBRA P-39 IN UKRAINE
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| alexkdl |
Posted: November 14, 2004 09:35 pm
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CORRECTION NOT AIRACOBRA BUT LAGG OR YAK |
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| Victor |
Posted: November 14, 2004 09:51 pm
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Looks like a Yak-1B.
Please, when posting images, also mention the source. |
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| alexkdl |
Posted: November 15, 2004 12:13 am
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Hello Victor You are dumn right, its a YAK-1B indeed...I got the photo from Erich Hartmann himself in 1992 along with others, therefore I have no ideea who painted the stuff Best Regards Alex PS : attached an other one Attached Image  |
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| Dénes |
Posted: November 17, 2004 05:08 pm
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Air Victories of Erich Hartamnn over Rumania
(based on the time frame he was based in Rumania) Date Pilot Unit A/c Type Notes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20.05.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 LaGG-5 20.05.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 LaGG-5 29.05.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 30.05.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 30.05.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 31.05.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 31.05.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 31.05.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 01.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 LaGG 01.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 LaGG 01.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 LaGG 01.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 LaGG 01.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 01.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 LaGG 02.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 02.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 03.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 03.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 03.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 LaGG 03.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 LaGG 04.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 04.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 LaGG 04.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 04.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 04.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 04.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 04.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 05.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 25 km. N.W. Yassi 05.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 5 km. W. Yassi 05.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 LaGG 05.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 LaGG 05.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 LaGG 05.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 05.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 06.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 LaGG 06.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 LaGG 06.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 06.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 06.06.44 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 12.06.44 Oblt. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 12.06.44 Oblt. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Airacobra 24.06.44 Oblt. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Mustang 27.06.44 Oblt. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 LaGG 27.06.44 Oblt. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 LaGG Total: 44 victories over Rumania Col. Dénes |
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| C-2 |
Posted: November 17, 2004 08:02 pm
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I knew that there were at least 6 Mustangs....?????????
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| alexkdl |
Posted: November 17, 2004 08:37 pm
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Howdy Denes The guy who just posted the message is dumn right. At least 5 P-51's were shot down and several Liberators ...what has transpired to them ? Finally it looks that the Russians attacked Roumanian territory on constant basis mostly with P-39's .....are there any photos available of his airkills in Roumania specifically P-39's which is a wonderful futuristic like type plane...? I have a photo from Erich which shows an IL-2 shot down near Iasi and pilot managed to perform a weels-up landing..do u wana see it ? Let me Know Cheers Alex Attached Image  |
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| Dénes |
Posted: November 17, 2004 09:27 pm
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The above air victories are taken from official Luftwaffe documents.
I found no trace of other USAAF kills in the period Hartmann was stationed in Rumania in 1944. As for the belly landed Il-2 near Yassy (Iasi) in 1944, if it's a private photo then yes, I'd like to see it. If it's a PK photo, then I think I know which one it is. By any chance, is a young Rumanian shepherd standing near the airplane, seen from 1 o'clock? Col. Dénes |
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