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Erich Hartmann in Roumania, Erich Hartmann| Carol I |
Posted: November 17, 2004 09:33 pm
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I would like to see it if possible. |
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| alexkdl |
Posted: November 18, 2004 12:00 pm
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Yea it is Denes, it seems u know the case real well mate. If you would read the book " The Blonde Knight of Germany " or " Holt Hartmann von Himmel " there are all details of Eric Kills in Roumania......the Luftwaffe records may not be as accurate as his biography. Take Care Alex |
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| Dénes |
Posted: November 18, 2004 03:35 pm
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I'd say it's exactly the opposite. Personal memories tend to be not as accurate in details as official records. Col. Dénes |
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| cipiamon |
Posted: November 18, 2004 07:35 pm
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That is wright, maby he dreamt of shoting down heaving 5 mustangs and a cuple of liberators.
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| FLIEGERHORST |
Posted: November 18, 2004 08:11 pm
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HELLO ALEX I WENT THROUGH THE TOPIC YOU HAVE STARTED AND I CONSIDER THEM VERY GREAT. I WAS A NEW ENSIGN AT JG54 AND THANKS TO YOU GUYS, MEMORIES OF THE PAST ARE REVIVED. GERMAN PILOTS OF WWII DIDNT STARTED THE WAR, HAD LEFT WIFES AND FAMILY BEHIND LIKE ANYONE ELSE AND HITLER WAS NOTHING BUTY A SICK CRIMINAL TOGETHER WITH HERMANN WHO RUINED AND WAISTED THE BRAVE LUFTWAFFE AND MANY GERMAN LIVES. GOOD BLESS YOU ALEX, EIN FLIEGER GRUSS AUS HAMBURG THOMMAS |
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| alexkdl |
Posted: November 18, 2004 08:45 pm
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Denes I have some accurate records about Harmann Roumania activities and air kills let me know your opinions ...because are originating from Hartmann records Date Air Field 06-04-1944 -09.04.44 Roman ( where is it located ?) 11.05.1944 -17-05.44 Zernasti ( " " ) 18.5.1944 - 31.5.1944 Roman According to your records he shot down in 1 1/2 months during his Roumania staying over 45 aircraft...there must be an error somewhere. AIR KILLS ========= 21.5.1944 2 P-51 over Boucharest 29.5.1944 3 LAGG-7 over Roman 31.5.1944 3 P-39 over Roman 01.06.1944 4 P-51 over Ploesti He's also shot down a B-25, a Boston , B-24's places unknown Let me know your thoughts Alex |
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| Dénes |
Posted: November 18, 2004 09:10 pm
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Location of Roman (in Moldavia): http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searc...&submit=Get+Map Possible location of Zarnesti (in Moldavia), as there are six localities in Rumania with that name: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?locat...O&addtohistory= Col. Dénes |
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| Dénes |
Posted: November 18, 2004 09:18 pm
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Herzlichen wilkommen aus der Forum, Thommas (Welcome to the forum, Thommas). It's an honour for us to have a veteran pilot visiting the forum. If you wouldn't mind, could you post here a few information that you can make public, about your career as a pilot in JG 54? Did you ever fly over Rumania, or Eastern Europe, during the war? MfG., Col. Dénes This post has been edited by Dénes on November 19, 2004 04:10 am |
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| Dénes |
Posted: November 19, 2004 02:35 am
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There was no USAAF overflight of Rumania either on May 21, or on June 1, 1944. Therefore Hartmann could not shot down Mustangs in those days. It could be that the 'kills' were actually achieved against Soviet airplanes. The problem is that Hartmann's second logbook is missing, so his claims above the 150th victory mark are not fully documented. Only official Luftwaffe records can shed some light on the second half of his brilliant career. Col. Dénes |
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| alexkdl |
Posted: November 19, 2004 05:28 pm
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Denes Here is a rare photo of a Russian P-39 taken in colour on the Crimea Front-----mostly probably on of Harmanns breakfast/ dinners....Pokrishkin had 48 air kills with P-39 and Gulayev 41 airkills...I wonder what German pilot had the top score on P-39 air kills, Hartmann had a lot though hard to get an accurate figure Regards Alex Attached Image  |
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| alexkdl |
Posted: November 19, 2004 05:43 pm
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Denes Here's a great painting of Hartmanns JG52 low alt straffing , I dont know who was the painter though it details the JG52 epoca real well Attached Image  |
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