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Carol I
Posted: October 20, 2005 07:10 pm
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Speaking about the British missions to Romania in WWI, The Times History of the War mentions that the German bombing of Bucharest in the end of 1916 ceased after a group of French and British airmen were transferred from the Salonika front to the defence of the city. Do you have more details about this mission?
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Posted: October 20, 2005 08:53 pm
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QUOTE (Carol I @ Oct 20 2005, 07:10 PM)
Speaking about the British missions to Romania in WWI, The Times History of the War mentions that the German bombing of Bucharest in the end of 1916 ceased after a group of French and British airmen were transferred from the Salonika front to the defence of the city. Do you have more details about this mission?

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Les français joueront un rôle bien important dans le réorganisation de l'Aéronautique militare roumaine. C;est ainsi en octobre 1916 quele major de Malhérbe est nommé à la commande de l'Aviation militaire roumaine. Il serra remplacé en decembre la meme anne, par le lt. colonel De Vergnette de la Motte, piloe de guerre avec beaucuop d'espérience, ancien commandant de l'Escadrille M. S. 23 de l'aviation francais sur le Front d'Ouest, l'auteur de la deuxième victoire aérienne pour la France pendant la Premiere Guerre Mondiale.

Le bilan de la participation des membres de la Mission aéronautique française: 40 pilotes et 20 observateures aux batailles sur le front roumain en 1916-1917 est inséré dans le bailan général de l'activité de l'Aeronatique roumains dans la Premiere Guerre Mondiale.Les aviateurs francais abattu 28 avions ennemis.


http://www.mnir.ro/publicat/anuar/09/avram.html

But I found something different about the transfer from Salonika to Bucharest:

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« Un mois plus tard, il participait sur sa demande au raid Salonique – Bucarest. Les Zeppelins avaient lâchement attaqué la capitale de la Roumanie. Des représailles s’imposaient et Sofia fut choisie pour expier. Le 16 septembre 1916, quatre avions quittaient Salonique à 6 heures du matin. L’expédition était peu commune. Les appareils, une fois Sofia bombardée, devaient pousser jusqu’à Bucarest, et faire 600 kilomètres sans escale ; il fallait traverser les Balkans, survoler des montagnes à 2.000 mètres, braver les courants et les remous. Tout alla à merveille. Sofia fut durement châtiée ; quelques avions allemands, voulurent arrêter nos pilotes, mais en furent pour leurs frais. Bucarest reçut ses vengeurs avec enthousiasme. »


http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aeroplanedetouraine/lamprou.htm

The Salonika-Bucharest Raid was made up of 4 airplanes which bombed Sofia in retaliation for German zeppelin raids on Bucharest.






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Posted: October 20, 2005 09:02 pm
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Thanks for the reply, but I was referring to the British airmen. Both your sources mention only the French participation. Does it mean that there were no British planes in Romania in 1916?
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Posted: October 20, 2005 09:12 pm
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QUOTE (Carol I @ Oct 21 2005, 03:02 AM)
Does it mean that there were no British planes in Romania in 1916?

Yes, they were. A British pilot even achieved an air victory over Rumania.
I have an unfinished article about this interesting episode.

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Posted: October 20, 2005 09:29 pm
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QUOTE (Carol I @ Oct 20 2005, 09:02 PM)
Thanks for the reply, but I was referring to the British airmen. Both your sources mention only the French participation. Does it mean that there were no British planes in Romania in 1916?

I thought you were referring to a group of french and british airmen. I found something about the french part of that group.


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Carol I
Posted: October 20, 2005 09:40 pm
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QUOTE (Dénes @ Oct 20 2005, 10:12 PM)
QUOTE (Carol I @ Oct 21 2005, 03:02 AM)
Does it mean that there were no British planes in Romania in 1916?

Yes, they were. A British pilot even achieved an air victory over Rumania.
I have an unfinished article about this interesting episode.

Thanks for the reply. Could you give us a short preview of your work?
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Carol I
Posted: October 20, 2005 09:44 pm
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QUOTE (Imperialist @ Oct 20 2005, 10:29 PM)
QUOTE (Carol I @ Oct 20 2005, 09:02 PM)
Thanks for the reply, but I was referring to the British airmen. Both your sources mention only the French participation. Does it mean that there were no British planes in Romania in 1916?

I thought you were referring to a group of french and british airmen. I found something about the french part of that group.

Actually I do not know whether there was a group of British and French airmen or a British group and a French group. For sure Dénes knows more. wink.gif I was referring mainly to the British only in the light of the title of the thread. Anyhow, thanks for the input.
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Posted: October 21, 2005 09:42 am
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You could also check the datas about col.Griffiths on this site:
www.greatwardifferent.com
Also some interesting pictures from the Roumanian front.
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Posted: October 21, 2005 10:19 am
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QUOTE (ANDI @ Oct 21 2005, 10:42 AM)
You could also check the datas about col.Griffiths on this site:
www.greatwardifferent.com
Also some interesting pictures from the Roumanian front.

The site was already highlighted in Articles from 'The War Illustrated' and other WWI stories. In fact I took col. Norton-Griffiths' photo from that site.
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Posted: October 21, 2005 02:42 pm
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On 25 October 1916 (n.s.) five pilots of a newly formed British R.N.A.S.
"Romanian Flight," on one Henri Farman and four Nieuport types, took off from Imbros Island in the Aegean Sea and headed for Bucharest. all landed safely in Romania. later, on 21 November 1916 (n.s.) a second R.N.A.S. "Romanian Flight, with two Henri Farmans and two Nieuport types, one flew from Imbros, three flew from Mudros on Lemnos Island to Bucharest. all made it safely to Romanian territory. by the end of December the R.N.A.S. airmen were withdrawn to the Allied Western Front. the first group was composed of Flt.Lts. L.A. Hervey, G.A. Cox, A.F.F. Jacobs and Flt.Sub-Lt. H.V. Reid. the second group was composed of Flt.Lts. R.Y. Bush and C.E. Brisley, and Flt.Sub.Lts. Mills and F. Barrington. two claims on enemy aircraft were made by Flt.Lt. A.F.F. Jacobs, based at Buzau, one on 10 December and one on 20 December (both n.s.) in the Buzau - Braila sector.
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Carol I
Posted: October 23, 2005 11:48 am
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Thanks Agblume for the information. It appears that the British pilots came to Romania later than the French group (who came in September according to the information from Imperialist) and had operated only for a short time interval (October-December and November-December 1916).

I guess the British pilot mentioned by Dénes as achieving an air victory during this short time was Flt. Lt. A. F. F. Jacobs who came with the first British group in October 1916.
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Carol I
Posted: December 22, 2005 05:46 pm
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A lieutenant Jacob of the British Royal Air Corps was one of the first recipients of the Order of Michael the Brave in WWI. Could he have been one and the same person as Flt. Lt. A. F. F. Jacobs?
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