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Tidal Wave Footage Photos, 15th AAF and Luftwaffe, 'Black Sunday', 1 August 1943

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Cantacuzino

Posted: January 10, 2005 03:06 pm

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Posted on Jan 10 2005, 02:49 PM
Dan , thanks. I need to ask you an other question...Modelism has two PAL /SECAM video casettes on the TIDALLWAVE , have you ever seen them what they include ? they want EUR 15 for each ...let me know

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Al

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alexkdl	Posted: January 10, 2005 03:39 pm
General de corp de armata Group: Banned Posts: 1809 Member No.: 373 Joined: October 22, 2004	Yeah..I just answered you...let continue this topic who knows , maybe we entangle many other things Thanks Alex

cipiamon	Posted: January 10, 2005 03:51 pm
Sublocotenent Group: Members Posts: 471 Member No.: 115 Joined: October 06, 2003	I have the video-cd version of that tape, interview whit 3 romanian pilots (Sculi, Carol Anastasescu, and anothe one, i forgot his name) , somme known footage, verry short fragments of the Gologan reportage, recent footage from the helicopter on the Ploesti area. But the bad part is that it has subtitles and the font used is verry big

Victor	Posted: January 10, 2005 04:41 pm
Admin Group: Admin Posts: 4350 Member No.: 3 Joined: February 11, 2003	Off topic posts removed. This thread has become a Sticky and all off-topic conversation will be deleted. Costaricca, please read this older thread :http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=723. You will find out there what you are interested in.

alexkdl	Posted: January 10, 2005 10:11 pm
General de corp de armata Group: Banned Posts: 1809 Member No.: 373 Joined: October 22, 2004	Dan Here is the first info I located on the SAND-WITCH Co Pilot .I am still looking for the others. Pilot in command details ^can not be found.......The Co Pilot Charles Thurston Hull who is burried at the Hero Cemitery received SILVER STAR ! Entry: US NATIONAL ARCHIVES Details: Date of Entry: 12/14/2001 PERSONAL DATA Last Name: HULL First Name: CHARLES THURSTON Nick Names: Address: City: COLFAX State: WA Zip: Phone: Deceased: Y Okay to display Address & Phone: Y MILITARY DATA Country: UNITED STATES Branch of Service: ARMY Entry Date: Discharge Date: 08/01/1943 Highest Service Rank: 2ND LT. Military Service Number: 0-740818 Theater of Operations: ETO Air Force: 2 Bomb Group: 389 Squadron: 566 Stayed In Military After War: N Recalled / Reentered Korea: N Retired Military: N MILITARY TRAINING Training Locations: SANTA ANA CALIFORNIA Traing Type PILOT Cadet or Training Class(es): UNK Other Training: NONE B-24 EXPERIENCE Position and/or Job: CO PILOT Aircraft Type: B-24D Aircraft Name and/or Number(s): UNK Number of Missions: UNK WIA: N MIA: N KIA: Y Evade: N POW: N Escape: N Ditched: N Current B-24 Associations : NONE ADDITIONAL DETAILS KILLED OVER PLOESTI AUG 1,1943. RECEIVED SILVER STAR POSTHUMOUSLY This post has been edited by alexkdl on January 10, 2005 11:38 pm

Cantacuzino	Posted: January 11, 2005 10:24 am
Host Group: Hosts Posts: 2328 Member No.: 144 Joined: November 17, 2003	I found the data for the plane in the picture below. B-24 Sn 41-11766 V CHUG-A-LUG Pilot LeRoy B. Morgan, 98BG,345thBS Returned to Benghazi damaged and with the Top Turret gunner KIA on Tidal Wave mission. The romanian pilot Sgt. Bosinceanu ( IAR 80) reported that he destroyed the upper turret of one B-24 finishing his ammo. PS: Alex, please find the names of the crew for this B-24.

alexkdl	Posted: January 11, 2005 11:40 am
General de corp de armata Group: Banned Posts: 1809 Member No.: 373 Joined: October 22, 2004	Hello Dan Except of the names of the CHUG-A-LUG and SAND-WITCH crews which you also have , the 15AF 2 Air Divsion does not contain any details on the crews nor any of the relatives of the crews have ever posted any requested for info...though I am still working on it with Confederate AF and 44th, 389, and 98 Bmb Grp vets familes. Do you need the name of the crews of CHUG-A-LAG ? Alex

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Hello Dan

Except of the names of the CHUG-A-LUG and SAND-WITCH crews which you also have , the 15AF 2 Air Divsion does not contain any details on the crews nor any of the relatives of the crews have ever posted any requested for info...though I am still working on it with Confederate AF and 44th, 389, and 98 Bmb Grp vets familes.

Do you need the name of the crews of CHUG-A-LAG ?

Alex

No Alex, personaly I don't need the names of CHUG-A-LUG. But the two guys in the picture are crew members and maybe someone could indentify them from the list. Anyway i will serch myself in my data base ( I think i have also the story of this B-24 in Tidal Wave mission).
Btw., I found the location of Bolovani Cemetery. It is indeed in the west side of Ploesti. Next trip will be Ploesti.
And also found the crash place of Euroclydon. It is near the village Plopu aprox. 10Km NE from Ploesti. One of the crew member was indentified (Joe Boswell) and was burried togheter with other unindentified crew members in a common grave in Plopu cemetery on 1 august'43.

Dan.

alexkdl	Posted: January 11, 2005 01:30 pm
General de corp de armata Group: Banned Posts: 1809 Member No.: 373 Joined: October 22, 2004	Dan the CHUGALUG crews are as following : P Lt Leroy B.Morgan CP Hosea W.Rich ( KIA in 1944) N 2nd Lt Victor H.Larson ( WIA) B 2nd Lt Chaplin Watkins TT James Van Ness ( he was killed by the ARR pilot on his top turett) R Robert L.Tipton also wounded in action by the same ARR plane TG Norbert I.Petrie ( German immigrant ) G Norman I Cupp G Forrest D.Hudley I am still clarifying who's on your top turret photo As into the EUCLYDON, the one you mentioned was the CPL , the Pilot Lt Enoch Porter was also KIA , the Bombardier Jose D.Franks bailed out but his parachute failed to open , Radio Ops and 2 gunners have died, 2 gunners POW at Sinaia ....note that the aircraft had extra 2 gunners on board which was rather unsual ( beside top turret gunner, tail gunner, waist gunners ,B & N who also manned guns) Al

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As into the EUCLYDON, the one you mentioned was the CPL , the Pilot Lt Enoch Porter was also KIA , the Bombardier Jose D.Franks bailed out but his parachute failed to open , Radio Ops and 2 gunners have died, 2 gunners POW at Sinaia ....note that the aircraft had extra 2 gunners on board which was rather unsual ( beside top turret gunner, tail gunner, waist gunners ,B & N who also manned guns)

Al

I heard that one of the gunners ( Dikinson) was volunteer (clandestine) and not official on this mission.

Dan.

alexkdl	Posted: January 11, 2005 02:28 pm
General de corp de armata Group: Banned Posts: 1809 Member No.: 373 Joined: October 22, 2004	Yes Dan they were....they aboarded the aircraft without knowledge of the specific superiors and and never returned back ...they were actually ground crews ,trained as technical staff . Also on the aftermath of the TIDALWAVE the parachute rigger who packed EUROCLYDON Bombardier J.D.Franks was subject to military trials. Al

alexkdl	Posted: January 12, 2005 12:35 am
General de corp de armata Group: Banned Posts: 1809 Member No.: 373 Joined: October 22, 2004	Dan, here's the official report of the 389th on the loss of the SAND-WITCH MACR 156 389th BG Missing Air Crew Report Details USAAF MACR#: 156 Date Lost: 1-Aug-43 Serial Number: 42-40735 Aircraft Model B-24D-90-CO Aircraft Letter: C- Aircraft Name: SAND WITCH Squadron: 566th BS Location: Campina, Romania Cause: AA Damage Notes: Entire crew received DSC for this mission. Position Rank Name Fate Hometown Pilot 1/Lt Horton, Robert W. KIA ??? Co-Pilot 2/Lt Hull, Charles T. KIA ??? Navigator 2/Lt Krug, Richard B. KIA ??? Bombardier 2/Lt Emerson, Elwood H. KIA ??? Engineer S/Sgt Steen, Zerrill J. POW ??? Radio Sgt Smith, Jack E. KIA ??? Waist T/Sgt Herlevic, Frank A. KIA ??? Waist S/Sgt Lambert, James V. KIA ??? Tunnel Sgt Kauffmann, Robert P. KIA ??? Tail S/Sgt Smith, Mack H. KIA ???

alexkdl	Posted: January 12, 2005 12:37 am
General de corp de armata Group: Banned Posts: 1809 Member No.: 373 Joined: October 22, 2004	Dan, here's the report of the 389th on the loss the EAGGER EAGLE MACR 157 389th BG Missing Air Crew Report Details USAAF MACR#: 157 Date Lost: 1-Aug-43 Serial Number: 42-40753 Aircraft Model B-24D-95-CO Aircraft Letter: J Aircraft Name: Squadron: 564th BS Location: East of Campina, Romania Cause: AA, Crash landed in dry river bed after target. Notes: Hughes received MOH, and remaining crew received DSC for this mission. Position Rank Name Fate Hometown Pilot 2/Lt Hughes, Lloyd D. KIA ??? Co-Pilot 2/Lt Helder, Ronald H. KIA ??? Navigator 2/Lt Pear, Sidney A. KIA ??? Bombardier 2/Lt McLaughlin, John A. KIA ??? Engineer T/Sgt Mix, Joseph E. KIA ??? Radio T/Sgt Kase, Louis M. KIA ??? Waist S/Sgt Dalton, Malcom C. KIA ??? Waist S/Sgt Smith, Edmond H. POW ??? Tunnel S/Sgt Wilson, Avis K. KIA ??? Tail S/Sgt Hoff, Thomas A. POW ???

alexkdl	Posted: January 12, 2005 12:39 am
General de corp de armata Group: Banned Posts: 1809 Member No.: 373 Joined: October 22, 2004	Here is the 389th loss report on Chatanoga Chu Chu MACR 158 389th BG Missing Air Crew Report Details USAAF MACR#: 158 Date Lost: 1-Aug-43 Serial Number: 42-40782 Aircraft Model B-24D-95-CO Aircraft Letter: X- Aircraft Name: CHATTANOOGA CHOO CHOO Squadron: Aircraft: 567th BS Crew: 565th BS Location: South of Floresti, Romania Cause: AA Notes: Position Rank Name Fate Hometown Pilot 1/Lt O'Reilly, Robert J. POW ??? Co-Pilot 2/Lt Paulson, Ernest L. POW ??? Navigator 2/Lt Britt, Richard W. POW ??? Bombardier 2/Lt Romano, Alfred A. POW ??? Engineer T/Sgt Kees, Frank J. KIA ??? Radio Op. T/Sgt Riffle, Clell B. POW ??? Ball / Tunnel S/Sgt McCary, Troy O. POW ??? Waist S/Sgt Bowker, Jack R. POW ??? Waist S/Sgt Rurak, Phillip A. POW ??? Tail S/Sgt Medeiros, Louis POW ???

alexkdl	Posted: January 12, 2005 12:40 am
General de corp de armata Group: Banned Posts: 1809 Member No.: 373 Joined: October 22, 2004	MACR 159 389th BG Missing Air Crew Report Details USAAF MACR#: 159 Date Lost: 1-Aug-43 Serial Number: 42-40115 Aircraft Model B-24D-30-CO Aircraft Letter: A- Aircraft Name: BOOMERANG Squadron: 566th BS Location: 80 miles SSW of Campina, Romania Cause: AA Notes: Position Rank Name Fate Hometown Pilot 1/Lt Neef, Melvin E. POW ??? Co-Pilot S/Sgt Larson, Carl POW ??? Command Pilot Maj Yaeger, William H. POW ??? Navigator Capt Ferguson, Clay V. POW ??? Bombardier 1/Lt Wallace, Charles N. POW ??? Engineer S/Sgt Godwin, Harold T. POW ??? Engineer T/Sgt Randall, Fred POW ??? Radio T/Sgt Sedlack, James J. POW ??? Waist S/Sgt Kensit, Arthur C. POW ??? Waist S/Sgt Wescott, Earl C. POW ??? Tail S/Sgt Bailey, Albert A. POW ???

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