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Posted: January 20, 2005 01:02 am
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Dan here's what a Tidalwave pilot and veteran Bill Fili wrote about Comptons wrong turn to Bucharest on Aug 1, 1943

The destruction of the Ploiesti Oil Complexes became the highest priority of all the targets in Europe. The attack was assigned to Colonel Jacob Smart -- a brilliant strategist and the attack was nicknamed Tidal Wave. Why it was named Tidal Wave or who assigned it that name is not now known. Contrary to published accounts of that air war over Europe the B-17 Flying Fortress was not the first American bomber to drop bombs on Europe on August 17,1942. The first bombs came from 13 Liberators flying from Egypt and were known as the Halverson Project. Little damage was inflicted on the targets and no post mission briefings were recorded. But it did alert the German Whermacht that the protection of Ploiesti should be given the highest priority. As a result of the Halverson Liberators -- Hitler sent the most capable of all his military officers/ commanders - - Colonel Alfred Gerstenberg -- to command the protection forces at Ploiesti. The men who flew the Tidal Wave Mission are the only ones who saw and experienced the capability -- uniqueness -- foresight ability of this German commander who engineered the defenses of those oil complexes.

The recorded history of Tidal Wave and Ploiesti is preserved in the National Archives and need not be repeated in this paper. The actual film footage is limited to only a few minutes since most of the photographers that went on this mission had paid the ultimate price with their lives. This paper will try to set in the proper context of the events leading up what is wrongly being called the ultimate mistake and wrong turn by so many Tuesday morning quarterbacks -- the same people who have no idea what it was like to fly those missions -- four miles up and out of the reach and protective arms and bosom of Mother Earth.

Of the one hundred and seventy seven liberators that took off from the Libyan Desert on Sunday Morning August 1, 1943 only one hundred and sixty two made it to the target area. Of that number -- who were ready to do battle -- fifty three liberators were shot down with five hundred and thirty men on board. Only one hundred and thirty airmen lived to talk about their experiences on that awesome mission. With a few exceptions these survivors received life threatening wounds and most of them were hospitalized. These facts were never expressed in the film documentary by the news media. Instead they -- the media -- did everything they could to find some astounding facts that could lead people to believe there existed gross negligence on the part of the leaders of Tidal Wave. They focused on the wrong turn -- a mistake -- made by the mission commander Colonel K.K. Compton and General Ent.

The primary objective of Tidal Wave was to deprive the Nazis of their major oil supply with the ripple effect of shortening the war. It did succeed in that more than fifty percent of their petroleum supplies were delayed for about six months. To control the flight and location of one hundred and sixty two huge four engine Liberators flying at tree top level for hours at a time is to say -- it was extremely hazardous duty -- and was accomplished by volunteer crews.

When the lead group climbed over those Yugoslav mountains and started their dive to the Danube River -- and the tree top altitude-- they did not know they picked up a tail wind and increased the distance between themselves and the following groups who were not blessed with the increased ground speed. The first group consisted of about 40 Liberators of the 376th Bomb Group.

Arriving at what they thought was the IP (initial point) to start their bomb run on Ploiesti they turned toward the oil complexes. In just a few minutes they did discover their error. But how do you turn around forty, four engine, bombers in the short radius that would be required to make a navigational change. It cannot be done by snapping ones finger as can be done if one was flying a fighter plane. They had no choice but to continue on and make a deliberate slow 180 degree turn back to the north. By this time they were at the northern outskirts of the city of Bucharest -- the headquarters of the German Defence Command and the Luftwaffe.

If the lead bomber was able to abruptly turn the formation he could not because in his mind he knew the following bombers were close behind and had to avoid the possibility of mid air collisions. Colonel Compton did not know about the increased separations of the formations. He made the best decision he could have and continued on with the slow turn to the north and back to the target. The historians and the media, relates in the documentary that they went all the way to the German Headquarters to alert them -- to let the Germans know they were there. Common sense and normal intelligence dictates that the Germans knew they were coming to Ploiesti the minute they took off from those Libyan Desert air bases. But they did not know the timetable and did not have radar tracking all the way across the Balkan Countries. Again using common sense and by using any fifth grade geography maps it will show that the distance between Ploiesti and Bucharest is only about thirty five miles. Flying so many four engine liberator bombers at tree top level at full throttle it would only take a few minutes to go from Ploiesti to Bucharest while trying to turn the formation back to the target area. This formation did not alert the German Defense Command -- the Germans were preparted to-do battle. If they were not prepared why then did the gunners notice the hay stacks and trucks open up with anti aircraft guns hidden in them? why were so many of the bombers shot down?

As attested to by the men who survived in the prison camp -- no bombers were shot down by friendly fire or by flying into each other. When the twelve bombers flew into the smoke and exited the other side with only nine bombers no one was able to say just what happened. The survivors will have to wait until eternity to find that answer.

The most important fact about Tidal Wave was denied publication to the public and Mankind itself by the Historians and the Media. To fly from Libya to Ploiesti was a twelve hour round trip flight. Before taking off the planning and training took about six weeks. From June of 1942 until August 1, 1943 the German Commander -- Colonel Alfred Gerstenberg -- had all of fouteen months to plan for the defenses of Ploiesti. Gerstenberg must have been psychic to have known that any attacking Bombers would come from the east for that is where he had placed all of his hay stacks and trucks. In essence the Germans had fourteen months to prepare for battle -- The American crews had only six hours to prepare for that awesome air battle.

The irony of Tidal Wave was Colonel Jacob Smart preparing to attack the aggressor -- Colonel Alfred Gerstenberg -- each knowing what had to be done and each trying to out guess the other. It was almost a repeat of the acts of General George Patten preparing to do battle with Field Marshall Rommel in North Africa.

Historians and the media did not tell Mankind that those Intrepid American Airmen were determined and brave enough to go against an enemy who was well experienced in aerial and ground combat. These men -- most in their lated teens -- did battle with a most formidable and determined enemy. Their efforts to help bring about the end of World War II will forever be remembered in the annuals of aviation history.

Of the one hundred and thirty men who survived being shot down at Ploiesti on August 1, 1943 only forty seven are alive today. It is hoped that on August 1, 1999 -- the fifty sixth anniversary of the Tidal Wave Mission -- all will be attending a reunion and memorial service in the Philadelphia area. An invitation is being extended to anyone who would like to attend these services in honor of those brave American kids who fought so valiantly for our Freedom.

Courtesy : William Filli
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Posted: January 20, 2005 01:05 am
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Here's the gunner of Maternity Ward brought down over Ploesti where he lost his life, from MATERNITY WARD story

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Posted: January 20, 2005 01:07 am
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Members of B-24 (unknown) of the 389th just a few days after Ploesti photographed in UK from " BOMBER PILOT " of Phil.

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Posted: January 20, 2005 01:11 am
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Also this plane returned from Lybia to UK from BOMBER PILOT

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Col.Wood crew and Sqd after Tidalwave receiving the citation for the PLOESTI raid from Gen Karl Spatz Chief of Staff ARMY AIR CORPS from BOMBER PILOT

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Posted: January 20, 2005 01:17 am
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Ploesti TW veteran THE STRAUBERY BITCH and its nose artwork " The B-24's of the 15th AF "

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Here is Phil again with Gen.Timberlake in Oct 1943, from BOMBER PILOT

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Posted: January 20, 2005 01:26 am
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When the photo was taken all these airmen returned 10 days ago from Roumanian captivity , many of them are TIDALWAVE survivors who spent a year at POW detention at Sinaia, returned back to Italy through Ops REUNION of Col.James A Gunn III and through the help of Cantacuziono. Courtesy B.Filli

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Posted: January 20, 2005 07:38 am
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Who said Messerschmitt it's not an easy plane to fly ?

Of. Maga Ioan and his " Best Friend" took off in alarm for a "DOG fight" in Ploesti sky. rolleyes.gif
The picture was taken by SMP ( Serviciul Militar de Proaganda).




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Posted: January 20, 2005 09:11 am
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Dan, great photo, thanks for sharing it

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Jan 20 2005, 12:09 AM  posted by Barbosu
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There is a Trestienii de Sus and a Trestienii de jos in South east of Ploiesti and North east of Bucharest, but nearer Ploiesti than Bucharest. I think that there are less than 15 km from Ploiesti to the two Trestieni villages. There are other four Trestieni but not in Prahova (Buzau, Giurgiu, etc)

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Hi,
can you scan the part of the map with village Trestieni near Ploesti and post it here. On my maps i found only Trestieni village west of Bucharest.

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Posted: January 20, 2005 12:42 pm
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Here's a rare coloured photo from the 2nd AF in UK received from an old friend whos gran dad was a Co Pilot on TW , hes grand son is not a pilot nor an aviation specialist though I have explained him that this isnt the crew of a B-24 ,rather a B-17 or similar of the 8th AF in Europe

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Posted: January 20, 2005 01:57 pm
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Al, my gran dad flew with Phil Ardery over Ploesti as a N and I follow since several years the TW never ending story of brevary and courrage . I look into the past of my gran dad with great interest and people from the B-24 board alerted me on your thread which I just saw right now ,I fly for the ACC and I am Captain with USAF , you did a great job in the memorries of the TW heros. Thank You !


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Posted: January 20, 2005 03:50 pm
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This is a Sticky(btw Florin you also have one), not a normal thread and I would appreciate if the posts are related to the subject. There will be no discussion here on landings at Anzio/Salerno or USAAF overclaiming or anyting not related to Operation Tidal Wave.
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Posted: January 20, 2005 04:00 pm
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Very well...

I'll focus my energy, in my available spare time, on my own Sticky Topic (The Beginnings of the Romanian Air Force, under Pre-WW2 Military).

It seems the pain suffered by the Romanian civilians under bombing, in 1944, is not a good subject to approach.

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