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> 10 june, civilians killed by americans
cipiamon
Posted: September 28, 2004 02:45 pm
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I heard from a friend who is digging the arhives that on 10 june many civialians were killed on fields, cars on roads... And somebody else told by such events, a cupple of kidds hidet in a ground hole after beeing atacked by an american plane (on this one i don't know the date). Any other sources?
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Posted: September 28, 2004 03:33 pm
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First, this topic doesn't belong to this chapter, as it has nothing to do with ARR.

Second, such sensible topics, like shooting on civilians, or on defenseless airmen on parachute, or war crimes in general, mostly degenerates, or is being pushed into a flame war (like the latest one: http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=122 or a previous one: http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=329).
Therefore great care should be taken when opening such a discussion. All such claims should be backed-up with sources, not like "I've heard that..."

Now, returning to your original question, yes, there are Rumanian reports that mention civilians and farm animals were hit on ground on June 10, 1944 by USAAF pilots, but it's not clear if it was intentional or not. Presumably, there were cases of deliberate targeting of individual civilians, but those were the exceptions rather than the norm.

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Posted: September 29, 2004 01:22 pm
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Sorry, now i realize that it has no connection whit ARR, so there were other sources, i don't wanna start a contradictory talk without documents, my mistake unsure.gif

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Posted: November 10, 2004 06:44 pm
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from "Dosarele Istoriei an VI, nr.9(61), 2001", pag 46:
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quote from AA command operation journal:
The effect of bombardments and incursions in the country on 10.06.1944.
Prahova county:
Malaiesti commune: 1 dead+3 wounded, machinegunned from a plane
Pleasa commune: 1 dead, machinegunned from a plane
Poenarii-Apostolesti comunne: 1 dead, machinegunned from a plane
Ploiesti-Bucharest highway: 1 dead, machinegunned from plane
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Ilfov county:
Branesti commune: 1 dead, 1 wounded, machinegunned from plane
Plataresti: 1 dead, 1 wounded, machinegunned from plane
Cretesti: 1 dead, 2 wounded, machinegunned from plane
Tanacabesti: 1 dead, 1 wounded, machinegunned from plane
Cioflingeni-Snagov highway: 1 dead, 1 wounded, machinegunned from plane
Cernica: 1 wounded, machinegunned from plane
Colibasi: 1 wounded, machinegunned from plane
Moara Seaca (Ganeasa)village: 3 wounded, machinegunned from plane
Afumati: 4 wounded, machinegunned from plane

Romanati county:
7 wounded, machinegunned from plane
Bals rail station, strafed
Dambovita county:
Ghergheni rail station 5 dead, machinegunned from plane
Titu rail station: 1 dead, 2 wounded machinegunned from plane
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Posted: November 10, 2004 08:56 pm
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Who would thought that about the good old american pilots....
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Posted: December 27, 2012 06:33 pm
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QUOTE (D13-th_Toppy @ November 10, 2004 06:44 pm)
from "Dosarele Istoriei an VI, nr.9(61), 2001", pag 46:
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quote from AA command operation journal:
The effect of bombardments and incursions in the country on 10.06.1944.
Prahova county:
Malaiesti commune: 1 dead+3 wounded, machinegunned from a plane
Pleasa commune: 1 dead, machinegunned from a plane
Poenarii-Apostolesti comunne: 1 dead, machinegunned from a plane
Ploiesti-Bucharest highway: 1 dead, machinegunned from plane
[...]
Ilfov county:
Branesti commune: 1 dead, 1 wounded, machinegunned from plane
Plataresti: 1 dead, 1 wounded, machinegunned from plane
Cretesti: 1 dead, 2 wounded, machinegunned from plane
Tanacabesti: 1 dead, 1 wounded, machinegunned from plane
Cioflingeni-Snagov highway: 1 dead, 1 wounded, machinegunned from plane
Cernica: 1 wounded, machinegunned from plane
Colibasi: 1 wounded, machinegunned from plane
Moara Seaca (Ganeasa)village: 3 wounded, machinegunned from plane
Afumati: 4 wounded, machinegunned from plane

Romanati county:
7 wounded, machinegunned from plane
Bals rail station, strafed
Dambovita county:
Ghergheni rail station 5 dead, machinegunned from plane
Titu rail station: 1 dead, 2 wounded machinegunned from plane

"Branesti commune: 1 dead, 1 wounded, machinegunned from plane
Plataresti: 1 dead, 1 wounded, machinegunned from plane
Cretesti: 1 dead, 2 wounded, machinegunned from plane..."

Because in that area,nearly Popesti-Leordeni",the dogfights between Gr.6 Vt. & Lightnings was at very low altitude ,we can talk about accidentally firing over civilian population.
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Posted: December 27, 2012 07:56 pm
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QUOTE (transavia @ December 27, 2012 09:33 pm)
Because in that area,nearly Popesti-Leordeni",the dogfights between Gr.6 Vt. & Lightnings was at very low altitude ,we can talk about accidentally firing over civilian population.

Did this occurence appear in another areas of conflict? More specific, in France or England (1940)?


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Posted: December 27, 2012 10:05 pm
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[QUOTE]Ghergheni rail station 5 dead, machinegunned from plane[CODE]

In fact at Gherghani rail station was attacked military train ( romanian) by a formation of six Lightnings. One of the Lightning crashed near Contesti rail station.
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If the Gherghani rail station was attacked -military train it was a legitimate target for the americans. They considerate oficials buidings, oficials vehicles imortant and legitimate target. Locomotive were a important target on their list even that the train many time were civilan. There were ocasion when civil trains- pasager trains from the rute Bucharest-Ploiesti or Bucharest-Pitesti were strafed by the americans most likely in order to destroy the locomotive even that means to destoied the railwagons all so rolleyes.gif . Americans in general were more triger happy boys the others -then the british. I now a case where in Romania in wich a american pilot whent like mad to destroy the locomotive of a train , again and again until the locomotive mecanic put a heavy smoke making the pilot think that the engine was destroed.
Regarding the cases of civilian killed on 10 june 44 I think that each cases must if possible investigated separat. I,m dobt that most of the civian were killed on purpose most probaly the guys were on the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Posted: January 03, 2013 09:02 am
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Regarding the cases of civilian killed on 10 june 44 I think that each cases must if possible investigated separat. I,m dobt that most of the civian were killed on purpose most probaly the guys were on the wrong place at the wrong time


Most probably!
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