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Posted: February 05, 2005 07:23 am
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Well, he didn't have to wear all the classes of the Virtutea Aeronautica Order he had been awarded, only the highest rank. One couldn't receive a higher class, without having the other lower ones already.
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Posted: February 05, 2005 12:31 pm
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yes Victor I wonder too on why the parade of mdals on his uniform if he could have worn only the highest class...but I guess Russian officers liked to look like x-mas trees

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Posted: February 05, 2005 03:45 pm
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QUOTE (Carol I @ Feb 5 2005, 12:41 AM)
Fragment from a contemporary newspaper announcing the award made to King Mihai I.

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Carol many thanks, I was wondering if you have a link to all Russian WWII military medals

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Posted: February 06, 2005 08:53 pm
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QUOTE (Victor @ Feb 5 2005, 08:23 AM)
One couldn't receive a higher class, without having the other lower ones already.

Was this rule for all recipients (Romanian and foreign) or only for the Romanian citizens?
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Posted: February 06, 2005 08:57 pm
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QUOTE (alexkdl @ Feb 5 2005, 04:45 PM)
Carol many thanks, I was wondering if you have a link to all Russian WWII military medals

Sorry, I do not have the list of all the Russian WWII military awards.
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Posted: February 07, 2005 01:47 pm
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Carol

I am still breaking my head reagrding the medal...I went through all WWII, US,France, UK, Ploland, Czech, Bularian, Yugoslav ( only partially) USSR old and new and couldnt even find a clue about the cross. Several other Russian aces such as the Naval Pilot Safonov were wearing that cross, and I am puzzled what that is.....Treshkow who was active on the Balkan front too was a bearer of the same cross...his WWII photo wearing the cross is not clear but I am posting this one....I still think can be a Yugoslavian, RAF or Bulgarian, there are no other options

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Posted: February 10, 2005 11:44 pm
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QUOTE (alexkdl @ Feb 7 2005, 02:47 PM)
I am still breaking my head reagrding the medal...I went through all WWII, US,France, UK, Ploland, Czech, Bularian, Yugoslav ( only partially) USSR old and new and couldnt even find a clue about the cross. Several other Russian aces such as the Naval Pilot Safonov were wearing that cross, and I am puzzled what that is.....Treshkow who was active on the Balkan front too was a bearer of the same cross...his WWII photo wearing the cross is not clear but I am posting this one....I still think can be a Yugoslavian, RAF or Bulgarian, there are no other options

Could you please post the photo even if it is not that clear?
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Posted: February 10, 2005 11:50 pm
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Carol , I need to look hard for Safonow, Treshkow to find out again the photos with the cross ...it will take me some time...all my friends from Russia and USA couldnt find out what that is.......that becomes a major mistery for all and by now over 10 historians and medal collectors as well wings collectors mates of mine breaking their head

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Posted: February 11, 2005 01:26 am
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The next two photos is Pokrishkin wearing many foreign medals , on the photo where he's ranked 2nd Lt wears a foreign medal under right pocket

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Posted: February 11, 2005 01:28 am
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Here as Marshal of USSR , wears a lot of forgein medals

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Posted: February 11, 2005 02:48 am
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Carol

I am looking to get you a WWII photo of Koldunov ( WWII VVS ace)wearing the same cross ( I expect a good photo from my Soviet AF pilot and friend ) in the mean time here a photo of his from my Russian albume , dated 1970 as Gen in the Soviet Union AF

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Posted: February 11, 2005 08:02 pm
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My dear friend Carol, have you heard the old saying that " the shoemaker walks barefoot" ? In order words you and me are really silly looking abroad to find out the cross that the Russian Ace Evgestniev 53 air kils ...wears the THE ORDER MIHAI BRAVU din Roumania !!! Ce rusine, tu esti Roman si ieu mam nascut in Romania si amandoi cautam soluzia afara din Romania ! Cred ca am inbatranit !

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Posted: February 11, 2005 08:18 pm
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No, that is not the Mihai Viteazul Order 3rd class, for several reasons:

1. The photo you posted is of the model 1941 version of the order, which wasn't awarded to after 1944, so no Soviet soldier could have received it.
2. The cross worn by Yevgestniev is clearly larger IMO than that of MV order and it has probably a silver/golden color, not blue.
3. It has a sort of circle or square in the center, which the MV order doesn't.
4. The ribbon has a stripe on the middle.
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Carol I
Posted: February 11, 2005 10:31 pm
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QUOTE (alexkdl @ Feb 11 2005, 09:02 PM)
My dear friend Carol, have you heard the old saying that " the shoemaker walks barefoot" ?  In order words you and me are really silly looking abroad to find out the cross that the Russian Ace Evgestniev 53 air kils ...wears the THE ORDER MIHAI BRAVU din Roumania !!!  Ce rusine, tu esti Roman si ieu mam nascut in Romania si amandoi cautam soluzia afara din Romania ! Cred ca am inbatranit !

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As Victor said, the crowned order worn by Kirill Yevstigneyev is not the Romanian Order of Michael the Brave. Please take a look at the photos below which you have posted some time ago and which show other Soviet officers wearing this Romanian order. It does not look like the order worn by Yevstigneyev in the photo above.

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Posted: February 11, 2005 10:40 pm
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QUOTE (alexkdl @ Feb 7 2005, 02:47 PM)
Several other Russian aces such as the Naval Pilot Safonov were wearing that cross, and I am puzzled what that is.....

I did a search for Boris Safonov and found that he has been awarded the British Distinguished Flying Cross.

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On March 19th, 1942, Boris Safonov was among five Soviet pilots who received England's highest decoration for airmen, the Distinguished Flying Cross.

Source: http://www.2gvsap.org/safonov.htm

The quoted source also shows a photo of Safonov where the distinctive ribbon of the DFC (white with purple diagonal stripes) can be easily recognised. On the other hand the cross worn by Yevstigneyev has a dark ribbon with a thin light stripe on the centre, hence it is not the DFC (besides, you have also rejected this idea some time ago).

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