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Ruspoli brothers| D13-th_Mytzu |
Posted: April 10, 2005 10:01 pm
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I would like to find out more about them, how they got to fight alongside Gr 7 Vt, how they got permission to buy the planes and come here, what happened after the 2 brothers died in that mission and generally about their sorties on the eastern front.
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| Dénes |
Posted: April 11, 2005 12:38 am
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The death of Ruspoli brothers in air combat over Bessarabia is only an 'urban myth'.
The story is originating from several Rumanian veterans' memoirs and was lifted into various books unchecked. In fact, only one of the Ruspolis was a pilot and he did not die in Rumania. There was a thread, opened by you a few months ago, regarding Italian airmen, where some details were already given: http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?sh...1594&hl=ruspoli Gen. Dénes This post has been edited by Dénes on April 11, 2005 02:35 am |
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| D13-th_Mytzu |
Posted: April 11, 2005 06:37 am
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Yes I know about that thread, but not much info in it
 so there were no italian brothers fighting along the 7th Fighter Group ? was all of this a myth ? |
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| Cantacuzino |
Posted: April 11, 2005 09:22 am
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I don't know if there were brothers or not, but i know there are pictures with italiens ( with their Macchi 200 ) along with romanian pilots ( Brancoveanu one of them). Also about Russpoli story i can not confirm( Maybe Dicezare know some details). What is for sure ( from pictures) Machi 200 and Iar 80 used the same airfield ( Salz?) for take off in combat. Dan. |
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| D13-th_Mytzu |
Posted: April 11, 2005 10:03 am
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Yes I also know apicture with romanian planes on airfield and an italian plane behind them.I think the Ruspoli brothers story should have at least very little truth in it (like some italian pilots fighting side by side with romanian pilots), even 2500+ years old myths have 1% truth in them
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| Cantacuzino |
Posted: April 11, 2005 11:48 am
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Anyway the italian pilot badge on many romanian pilots uniform confirm this and i don't think the name Russpoli was invented by romanians. Dan. |
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| Dénes |
Posted: April 11, 2005 02:38 pm
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The Italian pilot's badge was awarded to Rumanian airmen for various reasons, which I doubt have connection to Count Ruspoli (one reason is the presence of a small contingent of Italian flying instructors in Rumania, the other is diplomatic protocol). You may ask DiCesare why did he get his Italian badge (besides him being of Italian origin).
Why would you say that? Of course, the name wasn't invented by the Rumanians.  The three brothers indeed existed. But - as I said - only one was a fighter pilot, a volunteer one, Cpt. Carlo Maurizio Ruspoli, Prince of Poggio Suasa, and he was not killed in 1941, over Bessarabia. Gen. Dénes P.S. Cantacuzino, you have a PM This post has been edited by Dénes on April 11, 2005 04:45 pm |
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| Victor |
Posted: April 11, 2005 03:52 pm
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Mytzu, look here:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=75258 I have asked the same question yesterday on AHF and got a few replies from some Italian members. Apparently there were 4 Ruspoli brothers, of which two in the air filming unit (Reparto autonomo di volo cinematografico). One was Carlo Maurizio the unit's CO and the man who came up with the idea and Emanuelle. Only the first one was a fighter pilot (he scored 11 confirmed kills during WW2). The second flew the Cant 1007Z or the Ca 313s transports the unit was equipped with. Another two brothers: Marescotti and Costantino died in 1942 at El Alamein, while fighting in the Folgore Parachute Division. Attached you have the honorary Italian fighter pilot license received by cpt. av. Alexandru Manoliu in January 1942, following the cooperation with the Italian unit. Attached Image  |
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| C-2 |
Posted: April 11, 2005 07:19 pm
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I asked Dicesare long ago about the "brothers".
His unswer was;"Where did you heard that? in Greceanu's book?,Boolshit..." There was one Italian guy who flewe for a while... |
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| D13-th_Mytzu |
Posted: April 11, 2005 07:40 pm
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Very interesting, thank you Victor ! So at least there was some little truth in the story, I am glad it was cleared up now.I wonder if it isn't a good ideea to copy/paste the info from that forum and post it here as well so anyone who is interested about this subject might find it easy in only one place.
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| Victor |
Posted: April 12, 2005 04:20 am
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They can always follow the link I gave, if they are interested about more.
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| C-2 |
Posted: July 16, 2005 09:32 pm
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That's the ONLY Ruspolly..brother.
On the wing of his Macchi.In the plane Maria Sculli Loghoteti.  This post has been edited by C-2 on July 16, 2005 09:50 pm |
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| mgc151184 |
Posted: July 17, 2005 08:54 am
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Other photo with Ruspolly brother, near his Macchi C200.
 Romanian and italian airmen. In the midlle lt.av.Polizu. Behind them the italian airplanes Macchi C200 and Cant Z1007.  This post has been edited by mgc151184 on July 17, 2005 10:53 am |
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| C-2 |
Posted: July 17, 2005 11:44 am
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The Cant with peasants on Salz airfield.
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| C-2 |
Posted: July 17, 2005 11:46 am
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Ruspolli in a 109E .
Probably the one flowen by Stefan Greceanu.  |
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