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> "Pistol Whipping" - an interesting story..., But is it true? :o)
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Posted: November 15, 2004 05:47 pm
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"Pistol Whipping" by Stan Stokes

I found the following painting by Stan Stokes, along with the story:
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There were tens of thousands of aerial combat encounters during World War II. One of the most unusual was a dogfight that took place between Captain Arthur C. Fiedler, Jr. and an unidentified German Bf-109 pilot on June 28, 1944. Fiedler was an Illinois native who received his wings in July 1943. He was assigned as a flight instructor in Dover, Delaware, but in May 1944 he was assigned to the 317th Fighter Squadron of the 325th Fighter Group. Flying P-51B Mustangs the 317th was based in Lesina, Italy. Fiedler named his Mustang after his wife “Helen.” On a combat mission on June 24th Fiedler claimed a probable. Four days later the eventual ace was flying near Polesti, Rumania when a Bf-109 crossed directly in front of his aircraft. Slamming his P-51 into a near vertical bank he trailed the 109 for a few seconds attaining several hits before his guns jammed. As Fiedler rolled out of his bank he found himself flying in formation parallel to the 109, and headed towards Russia. Fiedler was not willing to make himself a target for the 109, and with his Mustang low on fuel and with jammed guns, Fiedler reactively drew his service revolver. As he drew his .45 pistol, the German pilot unexpectedly jettisoned his canopy and bailed out. Fiedler was given the nickname “Svengali” for this incident. Fiedler continued his combat tour into 1945, and by January he had attained 8 confirmed aerial victories. Fiedler remained in the Air Force following the War.


Interesting story. But I am wondering if it's true laugh.gif

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Posted: November 15, 2004 06:08 pm
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I've heard about a similar story about a romanian Ju52 pilot and a german one:
the german attacked the Ju and forced it to land, on an airfield. the furious Ju pilot, got on a 109 he found there (how could he possibly start it alone, is beyond one's power of understanding) then chased the 109 (like the german was dumb enough to loiter for him over the area) fought with it, but his guns jammed, then he went flying paralel to the german, got his sidearm and shot him in the head) laugh.gif laugh.gif
strange similarities huh?blink.gif
nice story indeed, but i really don't believe it... did he got the kill confirmed? rolleyes.gif
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Posted: November 15, 2004 06:12 pm
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It looks like a" bed time story".
Those who fired a gun from a mooving vehicle knows what I mean biggrin.gif
The 45 has a heavy bullet,who flys slow and a lot of recoil tongue.gif
In the small cocpit he had to take out his hand ..just imagine the wind laugh.gif laugh.gif


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Posted: November 15, 2004 08:27 pm
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Allegedly, the American pilot did not fire his pistol, only drew it from its holster. He did not open the canopy either.
The "Hun" (or "Kraut") pilot, at the sight of the pistol, scared to death and immediately bailed out. At least so goes the story...

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Posted: November 15, 2004 09:28 pm
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QUOTE (C-2 @ Nov 15 2004, 06:12 PM)
In the small cocpit he had to take out his hand ..just imagine the wind laugh.gif laugh.gif

exactly laugh.gif
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Posted: November 16, 2004 07:14 am
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Mayby he took off his pistol ( Penis biggrin.gif ) from his trousers . And because of the huge dimension the german was scared and bailed out from his plane. ohmy.gif
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Posted: November 16, 2004 10:21 am
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huh.gif maybe the guy bailed out because his plane was uncontrolable ?

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a Bf-109 crossed directly in front of his aircraft. Slamming his P-51 into a near vertical bank he trailed the 109 for a few seconds attaining several hits before his guns jammed


I wonder how did he manage to get into firing position in time when the 109 "crossed directly in front of his aircraft"
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Posted: November 16, 2004 12:04 pm
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QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Nov 16 2004, 07:14 AM)
Mayby he took off his pistol ( Penis biggrin.gif ) from his trousers . And because of the huge dimension the german was scared and bailed out from his plane. ohmy.gif



And because of wind.. yank pilot was hit in head with his own "gun", and so... today don't remember well this adventure.... tongue.gif


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PS - If a canopy protected the pilot from a MG bulet, a poin 45 was capable to penetrate it? Good fairy tale...
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Posted: January 12, 2005 07:22 am
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Another story:

"Piper O-59 Grasshopper (1941-?)
The O-59 was a development of the civilian Piper J-3, of which over 700 were manufactured in 1938. Several engine sizes were available for the civilian model (30, 37 and 48-kW), with the planes built for the US Army using the largest powerplant. First designated L-4, the Pipers entered service in 1941 as artillery spotters and front-line liason aircraft.

Although unarmed, in 1945 the crew of an L-4 used their .45-cal pistols to damage and force down a German Fi 156 Storch, the only confirmed downing of an aircraft by pistol fire of WWII. Ironically, though, this was how air-to-air combat started some 30 years earlier ...

The Germans feared the appearance of the little O-59, since it meant that accurate American artillery fire was almost certain to follow. However, this really only occured in the late stages of the war, when there was almost no chance of running into German fighter aircraft. "

I think is more credible. Source is:

http://www.geocities.com/copeab/Vehicles/O59.htm


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