Who started WW2

Why don't you go the full Monty and say it openly: that Hitler was right and the International Jewry, das Internationales Judentum, was the hand behind the puppets. And that this alone justifies the Holocaust (of course, if it had happened, but it has not). [/sarcasm off]

And to think that this is the most serious Romanian history forum online... Sad but true.

This post has been edited by valachus on January 19, 2005 11:12 pm

With such beliefs you need no stinking real world facts

I agree....strikes me as absurd, like most conspiracy theories. Why not say it was a plot from outer space?...makes about as much sense.
World govt. is the bugaboo of the hardline neocons here. I wonder what they r afraid of? Probably that they will not be able to keep raping the rest of the world, if one ever did come in.
Interestingly, imo, the international corporate finance system itself is already a world govt., in practice; modern trans national corporations have no inherent stake in national governments, which are often as not, impediments to proit maximization.

Does that mean you are in favor of internationalism, or a world government?

Why don't you go the full Monty and say it openly: that Hitler was right and the International Jewry, das Internationales Judentum, was the hand behind the puppets. And that this alone justifies the Holocaust (of course, if it had happened, but it has not). [/sarcasm off]

And to think that this is the most serious Romanian history forum online... Sad but true.

Oh belive me it's not just powerfull jewish peoples but alot of "White ones" as well.
(Mostly British and americans, bankers and politicians.)
The bank of England, do you know anything about it, no you don't.

You obviously never heard about the order of the Illuminaty, or about the Rotschild familly of bankers have you... You have no clue.
Saying that it justifies the holocause is absurd, your comments are twisted.
The powerfull elites that Hitler was after, were never locked up in concentration camps, they were doing quite well throughout that war, away from harm's way.
Do you know anything about Weisshaupt of Ingolstadt, or Rotschild of Frankfurt...?
You see it's a club;..a club of intelectuals... highly intelligent people who put their minds together on how to rule the world.. (and with so many dumb and mislead peoples in this world, including some on this forum) I think they might achieve their goal.
Perhaps it's time we lighten up a bit and admit that we were manipulated in both world wars and made to fight one another in vain. That someone profited from the world war is beyound doubt,..but I'm not gonna start a thread on war profiteers.

Well, I've also heard about the UFOs and vampires and about how the Earth is really flat. That doesn't mean I have to believe it's true.
But thank you for your entertaining departure from facts into fiction.

oh don't u worry. if one had the time it could proove that more than half of you so-called knowledge is a bunch of fictional mumbo-jumbo anyway....do nor forget what deng xiao ping said when asked about the french revolution - " it is too soon to give a petinent answer about the matter"

Let's stay on topic.

I dont think what say Der Maresal is must be consider wrong from the begining.In the past the members of French Academy,most inteligent minds at that time,when she hear stories from people who travel inside Africa,refuse to believe is posible to exist an animal like <girafa>,colored like tigers and with a neck about 3 meters long,or is posible to fall stones from the sky(its stories about supranatural things who exist just in imagination of illiterate peoples,says).Ofcourse,after a while the science will discover is posible,and this stones was named meteorits.

Agree with Udar. If something seems far-fetched, it isn't necessarily wrong, even if Chandanagore puts it in opposition with real facts (and, of course, to find out what the real facts are, we should also ask the sole authority in the subject, Chandanagore). When you live in a communist system, you tend to believe that most books are wrong, that they are hiding something else, more valuable and more distructive for the current political system.

No, this is not about Jews, as valachus tries so desperately to figure out (since every conspiracy theory has anti-Jewish roots, in his opinion). It's just about several facts that are unexplained (and the majority of the scientifical explications seem unsuficient).

Now, back to the original topic...

And speaking about FACTS, Wallstreet financed Hitler. It is an undeniable Historical fact - which we have not touched yet on this forum. Hitler was helped
to power by the exact people he was against (and he did not realize that until late in the war). The banker Warburg came and visited hitler and offered to finance him and his national socialist party. (Hitler did not even guess his ethnicity).

Another fact is that Soviet Russia recieved alot of financial support, and plenty of weapons, just about anything. Communism and Capitalism became best friends in ww2.
A high school teacher of mine used to say that weapons are always plenty in this world right now,..food and medicine not so much..but weapons always plenty!
She also said:
"There are many crazy people in this world and they are all in power"
..

I slightly disagree, I would say: "They are not crazy at all, but know very well what they are doing", they are extreamly smart, evil and will step over mountains of bodies to achieve their goals, and yes they are all in power.



This post has been edited by Der Maresal on January 21, 2005 04:19 pm

Everyone knows that it was the Polish that opened fire first on Germany as claimed by Hitler...

This is not a problem of propaganda. The Polish-German war has a sole initiator: Hitler (talking about guilt is irrelevant, since most wars in history are acknowledged as having no moral implications whatsoever and most winners are celebrated throughout the world). But the WW2 was decided when the Allied Britain and France decided that their previous policy of appeasement had failed. Hitler wanted war but more importantly he wanted two things: reuniting the Motherland with the lost germans and new colonizing ground in the East. He managed to do the first thing without bloodshed, even if his military power was at best at par with the Czechs'. This was possible only through the help of the Allied forces, who forcefully obliged Benes (he thought that the original agreements with the western powers after Versailles would provide for him a cover against the german attempts) to accept everything in the name of a peace nobody thought possible from then on. It was only obvious what would the next step be for him after Munchen.

Hitler is guilty for wanting war. His war. But for the war that followed September the 1st the most blame falls on the Allied Powers which, for 6 long years treated Hitler like a reasonable man, acknowledging every abuse, supporting his every career promotion and in the end, declaring war in the moment that Hitler was ready to wage it. At the same time, Ethiopia, a member of the League, fell down under the boot of Mussolini. Again, blame it on Mussolini.

The international system of today is just too complex to allow a sole state to take responsability for his actions.


And something about Titulescu

Should I blame the Inuits ?

No, don't blame anyone! Execute Hitler for the Holocaust, but not for starting a war!

Let's see. Germany is vanquished after 5 years of total war, no holocaust but 30 millions deads in Europe because Hitler wanted to establish the dominance of a race of lords on the continent.

You bet I'm still going to blame him and hang him real fast, holocaust or not.