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Posted: January 26, 2005 03:56 pm
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QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Jan 26 2005, 06:50 PM)
And a close up with the fin of "white A" with 44 victories bars.

Nice profile. However, a very important detail is missing: the aircraft's constr. no. (Werknummer). My copy of the same print is not sharp enough to be able to read the black five-digit number painted on the fin root, but it appears that it starts with 12.

Also, the leftovers of the swastika (white diagonal line) is missing from the fin.

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Posted: January 26, 2005 04:18 pm
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QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Jan 26 2005, 06:54 PM)
One of Bazu squadron mate painting another victory bar to his "white A"

The squadron mate painting the victory bars is Adj. stag. av. Emil Balan, another ARR ace.

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Posted: January 26, 2005 04:21 pm
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QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Jan 26 2005, 07:07 PM)
The letters on fins adopted by 7thFG in 1944 on some Bf-109G's ( one squadron) was probably because of posible confusion in romanian sky with standard numbers used by 9thFG ( now on Tecuci airfield ).
The letters were written on the fins ( with white color) from A to P ( from what i read in archiv doc.) and only Bazu ( because of victories bars) painted the letter "whiteA" on rudder ( instead on fin).

Cantacuzino, did you find any construction numbers for the mentioned 16 Bf 109Gs with white identification letters?

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Posted: January 26, 2005 04:56 pm
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Nice profile. However, a very important detail is missing: the aircraft's constr. no. (Werknummer). My copy of the same print is not sharp enough to be able to read the black five-digit number painted on the fin root, but it appears that it starts with 12.

Also, the leftovers of the swastika (white diagonal line) is missing from the fin.

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Yes Denes, but these details are good only if you made a big scale model ( 1/5) not 1/48 or evan 1/24 scale.
It's good to know what wnr. was but from my modeller point of view doesn't matter so much if i don't put it. The big problem it's like Artur say the corect colors of cammo. You can give him an advice for this specific subject ?( considering you are an Luftwaffe Experten wink.gif )

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Posted: January 26, 2005 04:59 pm
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The squadron mate painting the victory bars is Adj. stag. av. Emil Balan, another ARR ace.



I am not so sure about this. Emil Balan was a tall guy ( the same height as Bazu) and in this picture is a very thin guy compare to Bazu ( if you look with attention).
And i don't know if Balan was in april '44 in 7thFG. As far as i know was in 9thFG.( someone must check this)

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Cantacuzino, did you find any construction numbers for the mentioned 16 Bf 109Gs with white identification letters?

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Not yet, unfortunetly.
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Posted: January 26, 2005 05:19 pm
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QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Jan 26 2005, 10:56 PM)
The big problem it's like Artur say the corect colors of cammo. You can give him an advice for this specific subject ?( considering you are an Luftwaffe Experten  wink.gif )

Don't try to 'pass the buck', Cantacuzino. dry.gif
As I wrote earlier, I am not knowledgeable enough in wartime camouflage colours (it's not my immedaite interest either). I don't generate colour airplane profiles and don't build model kits either. By contrary, it's you who does all these things; therefore, it should be you who could give him (and anyone else) advice on wartime colours. All I can do is to merely voice limited comments on existing artwork/kit/information involving colours.

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QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Jan 26 2005, 10:56 PM)
Yes Denes, but these details are good only if you made a big scale model ( 1/5) not 1/48 or evan 1/24 scale.

From the point of a historically accurate coloured airplane profile, the Werknummer is important.

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Posted: January 26, 2005 06:31 pm
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QUOTE (Dénes @ Jan 26 2005, 05:21 PM)
From the point of a historically accurate coloured airplane profile, the Werknummer is important.

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Yes, Denes from the factory files it is possible to find out some info about the plane's original configuration. In the case of this one, however it was painted anyway by the Romanians in the field.
Dan, thanks for those great closeup pictures of the tail, that is especially important as it shows a partial outline of the swastika and the partially obscured werke number.
In the case of modeling accuracy I believe a compromise can be achieved.
Put on the swastika and then partially cover it up with overspray just so the outline will show. Apply a random Werke Number starting with a 12 and then obscure the rest of it by overspary and also by covering it up with the victory bars. Did you notice that the bars are not exactly alligned with the Werke number...one of those sweet, juicy details that make modeilg so much fun!
Thanks guys.
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Posted: January 27, 2005 09:02 am
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Did you notice that the bars are not exactly alligned with the Werke number...one of those sweet, juicy details that make modeilg so much fun!
Thanks guys.
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Artur i notice that werke number was written different from what i know.
It is not alligned with the flight line position but with the line of ground taxi position. Wich make me think that probably werkenr. was rewritten by romanians after the zwastika ( togheter with Wnr. by mistake) was overpainted . If the plane was still in Luftwaffe evidence the wnr. should be put it back .
Other opinions ?

Cheers Dan.

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Posted: January 27, 2005 09:08 am
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Another picture with Bazu next to his mount in april'43.( picture courtesy Aeromagazin).


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Posted: January 27, 2005 09:13 am
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And below Bazu with Cpt. Dan Scurtu ( in the cockpit) talking about next mission somewhere in Russia summer '43. ( picture "Aripi Romanesti" magazine)



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Posted: January 27, 2005 09:18 am
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And a rare picture of Bazu wearing the Iron Cross on his chest. Near him is Sgt. Stefan "Bebe" Greceanu and Lt.Dobran Ion.( picture from Aripi Romanesti , coll. Ion Dobran)


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Posted: January 27, 2005 10:28 am
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Thanks for your remarks Denes...though someone on this forum ( possibly Dan) must have this CC books and I would suggest this tomb should be scanned and posted

Alex 


And below it's the tombstone of Cantacuzino family (from Madrid) where Prince Constantin "Bazu" Cantacuzino rest in peace.
The date of death written on the stone is 26 mai 1958.( picture courtesy Aeromagazin)




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Posted: January 27, 2005 10:42 am
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Dan

Many thanks for posting this...it looks Bazu is burried in a grp grave along with other family members or dinasty members of his. Sad way to end a shinning glorious carrer of an air ace

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