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Fratello	Posted: January 27, 2005 11:05 pm
Locotenent Group: Members Posts: 557 Member No.: 475 Joined: January 23, 2005	I found this photo in archives. Is this a Me 109 F or G? You can see that on the left-up side is written Me 109 F. Attached Image

D13-th_Mytzu	Posted: January 27, 2005 11:43 pm
General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004	Looks like a G2

Der Maresal	Posted: January 28, 2005 01:03 am
Sublocotenent Group: Banned Posts: 422 Member No.: 21 Joined: June 24, 2003	According to a book, Ion Milu flew a 109F when he shared a large soviet bomber kill, with IAR-80a #117 flown by Muresan. This was at Tuzov, Stalingrad 1942. It could however been a 109E probably.

Dénes	Posted: January 28, 2005 03:00 am
Admin Group: Admin Posts: 4368 Member No.: 4 Joined: June 17, 2003	It's a Bf 109G-4, W.Nr. 19522. Flown by Of. ech. av. Ioan Milu of Gr. 7 vân., it sustained 35% damage in combat with LaGG-3s on August 19, 1943. Officially, there was no 'Friedrich' in ARR combat service. Gen. Dénes

Iamandi	Posted: January 28, 2005 06:41 am
General de divizie Group: Members Posts: 1386 Member No.: 319 Joined: August 04, 2004	"F" who served for trainings between E and G variant were just borowed from Luftwaffe? Iama

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QUOTE (Iamandi @ Jan 28 2005, 12:41 PM)

"F" who served for trainings between E and G variant were just borowed from Luftwaffe?

Yes.
There were also a couple of 'Friedrich' captured after Aug. 23, 1944.

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C-2	Posted: January 29, 2005 11:30 pm
General Medic Group: Hosts Posts: 2453 Member No.: 19 Joined: June 23, 2003	Acording to Dicezare,their grup instuctor in Tuzow while fliyng with Jg 3 -Wolf Dietrich Wilke,told them that the F was better in a dogfight than a G.... He dowened 2-3 PO 2 over the airfield just after the grup arirval.

D13-th_Mytzu	Posted: January 30, 2005 12:57 am
General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004	A JG3 Officer was group instructor for romanian pilots on Tusow ? how come ? Why did elite Gr. 7 Vt. needed a german instructor in late 1942 in the 2nd ARR campaign ? This post has been edited by D13-th_Mytzu on January 30, 2005 12:58 am

Victor	Posted: January 30, 2005 07:29 am
Admin Group: Admin Posts: 4350 Member No.: 3 Joined: February 11, 2003	III/JG 3 was at Tuzov for only 2 days in the same time as the 7th Fighter Group. Maybe he meant Tiraspol, not Tuzov.

D13-th_Mytzu	Posted: January 30, 2005 08:27 am
General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004	Thanks Victor - that makes sense.Besides there were no other 109's then Emil for romanian pilots at Stalingrad.Although I/JG3 and III/JG3 started to recieve G2's in september '42 at Stalingrad.

C-2	Posted: January 30, 2005 08:08 pm
General Medic Group: Hosts Posts: 2453 Member No.: 19 Joined: June 23, 2003	Tuzow! This post has been edited by C-2 on January 30, 2005 08:11 pm

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QUOTE (D13-th_Mytzu @ Jan 30 2005, 12:57 AM)

A JG3 Officer was group instructor for romanian pilots on Tusow ?

how come ? Why did elite Gr. 7 Vt. needed a german instructor in late 1942 in the 2nd ARR campaign ?

Maybee gr 7 were an elite group,but from pilots like Von Boremski ,Wilke or Lipfert,there was much to learn...

D13-th_Mytzu	Posted: January 30, 2005 09:30 pm
General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004	Ofcourse it was much to learn from them,but at that time were thye officially instructors for the romanian pilots ? Or maybe you meant something more like spiritual instructors (to be read as non - officially) ? Ther is a reason why I ask this: if they were instructors officialy, flying the Fredrick, it means that romanian pilots were meant to start training for the G version since Stalingrad campaign. This post has been edited by D13-th_Mytzu on January 30, 2005 09:32 pm

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QUOTE (D13-th_Mytzu @ Jan 31 2005, 03:30 AM)

if they were instructors officialy, flying the Fredrick, it means that romanian pilots were meant to start training for the G version since Stalingrad campaign.

The decision to re-equip ARR with modern German technology (including the Gustav) was taken after the Stalingrad fiasco, in early 1943.

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QUOTE (C-2 @ Jan 30 2005, 10:10 PM)

Maybee gr 7 were an elite group,but from pilots like Von Boremski ,Wilke or Lipfert,there was much to learn...

Sure there was, but not in teh two days they spent together at Tuzov. The 7th Fighter Group arrived there on 8 September 1942 and the III/JG 3 left it on 10 September.

Futhermore, Hptm. Helmut Lipfert only served on the front in II/JG 52 and I/JG 53. There was no connection between him and JG 3.

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