War against Bulgaria?

Ok, I hope you are finished with this, or I'm afraid I'll have you temporary banned for repeated off-topic.

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Because whoever claims he is of a pure nationality, just deludes himself.

Oh , Florin I cannot agree more. But it is not me that you should convince about that. You will find some other people on this forum who are still enamored of those concepts (but don't know much about the meaning of a gene pool or species evolution). You will easily recognize them by all sort of mystical runes, symbols, pictures or nazi regalia associated to them and, naturally, good old rampant anti semitism (they always seem to go together, don't ask me why).

Personaly I wouldn't mind having Serbian links at all.

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About the misterious matter, I like to let it this way for the moment.

Your call of course

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Remember, guys, any word in this site is read by thousands of eyes, known or \"hidden\".

One more reason to jump into the fray 8)

Dragos, how long will I be banned ? :roll:

http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/viewtopic.php?t=459

For three day. It is also written that clones are forbidden, but I'll let you get away with it because it seems you didn't read this. Now don't clone again or you'll get an IP ban (you'll be unable to read posts !).

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http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/viewtopic.php?t=459 For three day. It is also written that clones are forbidden, but I'll let you get away with it because it seems you didn't read this. Now don't clone again or you'll get an IP ban (you'll be unable to read posts !).

Dragos, I was unable to read post when using my fixed IP. Maybe this was not intended. I had to change my IP to view them and create a clone.
Strange.

aha, so it's ok for romania to attack bulgaria in order to occupy some land it controlled for some 30 years and romanians are a minority? 8)

but what if hungary decides to do the same for transylvania? :shock:
that's not ok? hmmm...I think we have some double standards here...

Does anybody have a census of the Quadrilateral in that period?

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but what if hungary decides to do the same for transylvania?   that's not ok? hmmm...I think we have some double standards here...

Well, this is a known problem. In the East, we are using the historical arguments in order to fight a newly-independent Moldavia, who clearly rejects the unification and in the West we are using the statistical population number in order to reject Hungary's historical claims (who are IMHO more important than ours, regarding historical claim, of course).

This is a nationalistic problem in general and a great flaw of the whole theoretical construct. Basically, nationalism says that a territory is the property of a nation using a sum of arguments, but in real life, the sum becomes very often just one argument, from which everything is derived...

First, situation in Bessarabia was different in 1940 than it is now. Second, nobody considers fighting Moldavia for unification :question: . Chapter is closed.

Dragos, please give some details. This OOB (?) of Hungary and Bulgaria and Ro... you have data for type of brigades, divisions? I want to tell me (us... ) detailed info like - "in east 24 divisions" how much of them Infantry, Cavalry, etc. for those cardinal points.

In case of war, was a planification for things like "Escadrila x, in South, Escadrila Y in East" ... ?

Iama

For the Soviet forces in Bessarabia, here is the OOB of 9th Army:
http://orbat.com/site/history/historical/r...thseperate.html

I have only found these rather general figures about the territories Romania lost in 1940/1941:

Bessarabia 44.400 km2, 3.150.800 inhabitants
Northern Bucovina 5.000 km2, 566.400 inh.
Herta district 240 km2, 30.900 inh.
Lost to the USSR in total 49.700 km2 with 3.748.100 inhabitants, of whom 47,7% non-Romanians (mainly Ruthenian/Ukrainians and Russians)

to Hungary: northern Transylvania 43.100 km2 with 2.640.000 inhabitants of whom 50,8% non-Romanians (mainly Hungarians)

and finally to Bulgaria: southern Dobrudja 7.700 km2, 377.000 inhabitants of whom 81,0% non-Romanians (mainly Turks/Tatars and Bulgarians)

The weight of the Romanian population grew from 71,9% to 83,7% within the new borders. The German population made up 4,8% instead of the pre-war 4,1%, while the Hungarian population decreased from 7,9% to 4,3% and the Jewish population went down from 4,0% to 2,6%.

This post has been edited by Attila on December 02, 2004 04:02 pm

According to the Peace Treaty signed at Craiova on Sept. 7, 1940, the 1912 borders between Rumania and Bulgaria were to be restored. Accordingly, Rumania lost 7,412 sq. km and approx. 360,000 inhabitants (the area know as The Quadrilateral, or Southern Dobrudja).

There was also a population exchange, approx. 65,000 Bulgarian ethnics moving to the south and 110,000 Rumanian ethnics to the north of the old/new border.

Interestingly, this was the only treaty brokered by Axis powers that remained in effect after the end of W.W. 2.

Col. Dénes

Our luck, as usual...

Once I thought Thailand kept the teritory got with Japanese help (previously belonging to Thailand, but obtained by the French in the 19th century). I do not remember too well the matter, but it seems I was wrong.

This post has been edited by Florin on December 05, 2004 03:11 pm

I think, in more older time than XX century, or Mircea's days, an important part of the actual bulgarian terytory was under our ancestors (*) influency.

Iama

This post has been edited by Iamandi on December 21, 2004 07:28 am