We still need NATO?

Well it was a European war to begin with, Mabadesc, so it's quite normal that some Europeans kicked other European's ass

I think only the British appealed to the US. Stalin didn't ask for help : he expected it, and didn't need it after 43 I don't disagree wit the fact that European democracies owe the US one for help during WWII, but let's put things in perspective : 80% of the heavy job was done by the Soviets. If Roosevelt had not put his nose into it, we would all have had a Soviet chapter in our history. Very bad, but not the end of mankind.

Well I will jump into the water. I don't say it's the US fault as the whole operations were agreed upon on a more global level. The problem is that the criminal activities from Albania/Kossovo seem to have spilled big time into western European cities (and probably eastern too I guess) where these mafia like practices are dismaying and enraging us. This to the point where I ask myself if the right choices were made in this conflict. It may look egoistic, but did NATO save/wrest Kossovo from Serbian control so that the Albanians/Kossovar may export their loosy business inside EU ? I'm angry when I think of it.

I didn't think u would stay on the shore for long. haha

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Imy impression was mafia/criminal activity is not unusual over some areas of the Balkans. I've read that banditry was a respected occupation in the mountains for centuries. Why would this be seen as (another) U.S. inflicted evil? The aftermath of war maybe?

Would not some connection to the Russian mafia be more likely? The U.S. mafia is in retreat, supposedly, and I think the Italian mafia has little connection to the Albanians?

Tell me what u know, pls.. (I promise I'm not in the CIA).

Well it was a European war to begin with, Mabadesc, so it's quite normal that some Europeans kicked other European's ass

I think only the British appealed to the US. Stalin didn't ask for help : he expected it, and didn't need it after 43 I don't disagree wit the fact that European democracies owe the US one for help during WWII, but let's put things in perspective : 80% of the heavy job was done by the Soviets. If Roosevelt had not put his nose into it, we would all have had a Soviet chapter in our history. Very bad, but not the end of mankind.

I disagree. I think if the Russians had controlled the Continent after Germany's defeat, they would have been a lot more difficult to stop.

They would have been so emboldened and had so much more resources (French baguettes, Spanish olives) that it would have been much longer before the "command economy" self destructed, and a Gorby could talk them down off the nuclear ledge.

They would have jumped and taken the rest of us with them. Or the hotheads here would have pushed them. Maybe not the end of mankind, but not a few of the survivors would be living in caves by now, I bet.

Wow!!! So lets see - its about the language - grandparents; its not about the language - its about dried-up sperm and ovules, decaying corpses; its about the language for God's sake.
Now that was quite a rhetorical/gore overload! Are you directing Wag the Dog II by any chance?

Arrogant attitude, derogatory remarks. Offensive remarks in the same post in which you lecture on about grandparents and rotting bodies... so our grandparents were sissies crying for help and they died with their asses kicked. Nice obituaries. Suddenly the first sentence of your message goes up in flames... I'm not sure you're 'qualified' to speak about my grandparents.

Offensive remarks again. You compare a European Alliance in the 21st century with Nazi Europe 60 years ago.
And you seem to imply that the persons who want a strong European alliance are regretting those times - a.k.a. neonazis. Where did you get this ideological voo-doo stuff?

Hearing that from a self-professed stormtrooper wannabe, it sounds pretty unexplainable and self-contradictory, although I'm sure there MUST be some sort of semantic and/or self-righteous kind of explanation - as you'll sure quickly prove beyond any reasonable doubt.

I also find it funny to observe that the single unpleasant consequences to be considered in a "what if" scenario about total IIIrd Reich or USSR domination over Europe is that some people (not many, mind you) might have unfortunately been killed in it, and/or that instead of English the lingua franca would be the Deutscher sprache or Russkii iazik.

After all, all things considered, there are always cozy Kapo job openings in a totalitarian regime, not like today when unemployment is rampant, right?

This post has been edited by valachus on March 09, 2005 02:06 pm

Wow! So, I have to prove that your absurd allegations are incorrect. Ofcourse, silly me, how can I think that you have to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that I'm guilty of something... before sending me to the Gulag ofcourse.
Anyway, nice research you did on me. Outstanding thought-police work.

p.s. I was really impressed by the way in which you took out of context those quotes, and how you carefully cropped out of the quote the smilies I used. Dont let doubts of humour prevent my guilty sentence...

This post has been edited by Imperialist on March 09, 2005 03:27 pm

Sorry if the truth is offensive to you...

Add "hypocritical" to the list...

Ahh, welcome to the Politically Correct world. Here the truth can be vile, repugnant and offensive, and therefore liable to censorship. Enjoy your stay.

This post has been edited by Imperialist on March 09, 2005 05:41 pm

They're not "my allegations" but your self-avowed, most blatant, extremist stance yet. Not that they're a surprise to anyone, but their follow-up was quite self-contradictory and confusing, unfortunately.

But anyway, looks like I was right: it was a matter of semantics - the "I'm kidding, can't you see?" argument. Well, I for one, I couldn't. Sorry about that.

P.S. Too bad that there's only ONE "smilie" there, not several of them. A slight of hand, probably, but you can always post-edit some more.

Take care, OK?

Everyone cool down and try to discuss less aggressively.

This starts to sound like a personal vendetta. Valchus, the net is full of people trying to hunt extremists, though most of the time its only their imagination... if you want to really save the world from extremists get out on the streets and get dirty doing it.
Otherwise stop harassing me for saying I listen death metall, dont like pink and tent people and "Mr. Putin, hire me! ".

I didnt make excuses, I asked you why did you left out the smilies?
But ofcourse, obviously, you considered them irrelevant from the start. Like I said, you acted like a political commisar, the verdict was already clear in your mind, so much so that you conveniently left out some of the evidence. You could not see its relevance, naturally, so why bother with those... case closed - Gulag!

p.s. if you find "political commisar" an offensive term, then compare it with "stormtrooper", and lets call it even.

take care

This post has been edited by Imperialist on March 09, 2005 10:00 pm

Well I know only a little from what I see. Mafia/criminal activity might not be unusual in some areas of the Balkans but what I find much unordinary is that they started to infiltrate western cities. We call them "the Albanians" the same way we used to speak of Cosa Nostra before the Italians clamped down hard on them. And it started to appear or grow shortly after the Kossovo war. It might be a coincidence...or maybe not.

This post has been edited by Chandernagore on March 09, 2005 09:36 pm

Pure conjecture The only indicator that we have is that the Russians backed down from possible nuclear escalation during the Cuba crisis. That may not fit the cold war stereotype very well but they didn't appear to me like mad gamblers.
I agree however that their downfall would have been much slower (if at all) if they had controlled the whole European continent.