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> 7 mai 1944: 15th AAF bombing on Bucharest, live photos
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Posted: February 16, 2005 07:42 am
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from my understanding the aerial photo bellow was taken taken on May 1944....it can be clearly seen on the left side of the photo than railway and trains are hit......can anyone identify where exactly in or near Boucharest was it taken ?



Is Chitila rezidential area. Most of the houses were build for "CFR" employees.
On the bottom of the picture the free space was old Chitila airfield ( prior WWI).

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PS: I have a friend (Razvan Bujor) who lived there. And every weekend i go to him i wonder how many american bombs unexploded are still burried under the ground. sad.gif

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Posted: February 16, 2005 07:50 am
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and here is another photo with a Bucharest destroyed building from Bulevardul Cuza after 15th AAF on 15 april 1944


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Posted: February 16, 2005 07:55 am
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and here is another photo with a Bucharest destroyed building from Bulevardul Cuza after 15th AAF on 15 april 1944


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Sorry, here is a mistake. This building is from Aleea Sevastopol, not from Bulevardul Cuza

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Posted: February 16, 2005 08:15 am
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from my understanding the aerial photo bellow was taken taken on May 1944....it can be clearly seen on the left side of the photo than railway and trains are hit......can anyone identify where exactly in or near Boucharest was it taken ?

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This aerial photo was taken on 24 april 1944. The target is Chitila Marshalling Yard, Bucharest, Roumania.
(source http://www.461st.org/images/Mission%2014.jpg)

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Posted: February 16, 2005 08:21 am
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This is the aerial photo that was taken on 7 may 1944. The target is Marshalling Yard from Bucharest.

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Posted: February 16, 2005 08:24 am
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the source from this photo below is http://www.461st.org/images/Mission%2020.jpg
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Posted: March 03, 2006 09:04 pm
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QUOTE (Fratello @ Feb 14 2005, 08:01 AM)
Alex, that incident was on 4 april 1944. when the americans hab bombed by mistake the CFR workers residential compounds from Calea Griviţei. The real number of the kills was 2763 and another 2.341 where wounded.

Was it an area bombing raid or a pinpoint boming raid? Judging by the number of bombers used and tonnage dropped, I'd say it was area bombing. In that case, the fact that civilian targets were also hit wasnt a mistake. I noticed the "by mistake" idea in several posts, and I think it is good to clarify the issue.

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Posted: March 19, 2006 03:35 pm
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In Romania (and don’t merely), USAAF bombers utilized only “area bombing”, variant of the “carpet bombing” method, which ensured expected effect against the big target as marshaling yards, industrial areas, airports,a.s.o. (there was though an exception- the bombing raid on 1 August 1943).
In area bombing it used so-called “centralized sighting method” :
o each attack unit leaders sighted in range and direction;
o each box leaders sighted only in range;
o remains of the bombardiers drop the bombs upon their box leader.
The sighting performed on the aiming point setlled in the operation orders of the each bomb wing or combat wing.
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The precision provided by Norden Mk.XV and Sperry S-1 bombsights (both whith Sperry A-5 automatic pilot), which fitted in B-17 and B-24, depended on:
o the skill of the bombardier, and
o the accuracy of the flight data introduced in bombsight.

In 1944 the precision of the bombers B-17 and B-24 was not better than 300 m CEP.
In romanian I could give more details,


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Posted: June 22, 2006 11:52 am
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Was Bucharest an "open city" at the time of the bombings? The idea appears in Eliade's journal and is quoted in this newspaper:

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Mircea Eliade, la 6 aprilie 1944 în Jurnalul portughez, recent apărut la Humanitas – m-a făcut să mă gândesc pentru prima dată cu mai puţină groază şi dezgust la ruşi. După declaraţia perfid de blândă a lui Molotov, americanii ne distrug Capitala. Inutil să mai comentez”.

Dar, pe 24 mai, reia, tot în Jurnal, tragicul episod: „Luna aprilie am petrecut-o terorizat de bombardamentele aeriene anglo-americane, care au început distrugerea ştiinţifică a Bucureştiului. Nu mă gândesc la oraşul meu, ci la bruma de instituţii culturale pe care le aveam şi pe care le-au nimicit eliberatorii. Încă o dată verific imbecilitatea cu care poartă războiul anglo-americanii – şi abilitatea sovieticilor, care îşi silesc aliaţii să bombardeze oraşele deschise, ei mulţumindu-se cu victorii strict militare”.


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Posted: June 22, 2006 02:00 pm
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No, it wasn't. There were many military objectives insdie it, including the General Staff on Stirbei Voda (where DNA is today, I believe)
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Posted: June 22, 2006 02:45 pm
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QUOTE (Victor @ Jun 22 2006, 02:00 PM)
No, it wasn't. There were many military objectives insdie it, including the General Staff on Stirbei Voda (where DNA is today, I believe)

We can see the same idea in the memoirs of Maruca Cantacuzino:

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Primul bombardament american - da, american, oricât de incredibil ar parea - al Bucurestului, oras deschis, fara legatura cu orice obiectiv de razboi; populatia civila, inocenta, fara aparare, lucruri pe care nimeni nu le ignora; eveniment care a dat nastere la veritabile scene de apocalips la care George Enescu si eu însami asistam, fascinati de teribilul spectacol, de sus, de pe terasa noastra.


http://www.itcnet.ro/history/archive/mi199...rrent10/mi5.htm

What made these people, not quite average (Eliade, Cantacuzino), to think Bucharest was an open city? Was it declared an open city by any official? unsure.gif

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Posted: June 22, 2006 06:41 pm
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Further to what Victor noted, there was the Northern Railway Station (Gara de Nord) - targeted often by USAAF bombers - which was extensively used for transferring military matériel, as well as crude oil/gasoline.

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Posted: June 22, 2006 08:42 pm
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QUOTE (Imperialist @ Jun 22 2006, 11:52 AM)
http://www.gandul.info/2006-06-22/politica_lingailor

Verry relevant article about about Romania's politicians and how they see the ww2 aerial bomings!

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Posted: June 25, 2006 07:43 am
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QUOTE (Dénes @ Jun 22 2006, 06:41 PM)
Further to what Victor noted, there was the Northern Railway Station (Gara de Nord) - targeted often by USAAF bombers - which was extensively used for transferring military matériel, as well as crude oil/gasoline.

Gen. Dénes


The targeted target was not Gara de Nord in itself, but the locomotive repair shop "Grivita" and marshalling yards with a view to unsettling of the millitary transport.
It is known that Bucuresti-Chitila area was {and there is) the mopst important junction from Romania.
The aged people remember that, on thoser days, Gara de Nord "moved" to Chitila.


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Here are a coupel of interesting articles with photos (then and now). Only in Romanian:
http://www.rezistenta.net/2009/09/1944-bom...ucuresti-1.html
http://www.rezistenta.net/2009/09/1944-bom...ucuresti-2.html
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