Wili Mosor discovered the wrecks of an ww2, WELLINGTON

My father Wili Mosor discovered the wrecks of an ww2 Wellington plane. These are some screens of the local newspaper, wich tell the real truth about the plane discovery and why he got there in the first place. http://yfrog.com/mypagina1j
http://yfrog.com/jqpagina2bj

18 years ago he discovered a part of the remains of an English fighter crashed during the Second World War in Comana lake. Passion for mechanics and electronics, Mosor Willi Adrian Brings to the Surface after 48 years, some of the wrecks of an aircraft type Wellington, in wich Lake Comana swamp swallowed during a combat mission.

Night from 6 to April 7, 1944. A night with clear sky, a group asset for 205 British bombers, flying a mission over the city. They have completed a 1000 km road, just in Foggia, Italy, to bombard Bucharest. Wellingtons MC seafarers on X are said to about 30 km from target. Bombers rallied in attack formation, when the inevitable happened. Antiaerienele between defending the capital and British bombers, was cutting a life and death struggle. 5250 AI plane is hit by a volley of cannon fire and immediately take the right engine. Crew commander, pilot S. Clarke is aware that he can not return to base and not to continue the mission with one engine and with bombs on board. So he decided to seek a ground on which to do an emergency landing. It seems that God is on his side, because in front of him suddenly emerges an open field. After a tour around Comana, pilot tries to land but the open field was actually a lake and in contact with the lake, he loses control and tumbles. Flying at low altitude, the crew had no time to drop bombs and to save them selves.

Archaeologist on the lake

48 years since the collapse of such a famous British Wellington bomber. Adrian William Mosor a giurgiuvean of 39 years, passionate about electronics and mechanics, famous in his mastery, especially auto mechanics. He adventures of to find airplane wreckage, of whose existence he had heard from a friend in high school of Comana. He had an obsession for this wreck and could no longer find peace until he set up a thorough plan of finding remains of the airplane crashed in the Second World War. In 1985, explores using a boat around the lake Comana to expand his research on the plane but he was spotted by The State Security and is forbidden to go there. He doesn't give up so easily, so by August 11, 1992, together with two other friends, he goes where it was assumed that the plane would have landed. install their camp in Nisipesti area, located between BUDENI Coman. Using a tractor-loader that he bought and repaired and a truck, start excavations in the area. "I benefited from the laws permission , which didn't forbid you to do such digging. We took with us all kind of things that would help, even metal detectors. I spent about 86,000 lei, a sum very high at that time, "says Mosor Wili.


I want to clarify some things about what sergent Barbosu posted in
"RAF/Commonwealth operations over Romania" about my father Willi Mosor when he discovered the plane. First thing, he was there with his personal equipment, he did not try to dismantle the engine plane with hammers (especially since my father is a mechanic, he wanted the aircraft remains to be intact) How could he say that my father wanted to sell to the scrapyard the remains of the aircraft if my father had spent 86,000 Lei, to remove the remains from there. For him it was a passion and an obsession. My father had the approval of Ministry of National Defense - Aviation Museum. here is my fathers authorization http://yfrog.com/5m2222nrj

This post has been edited by mosorwvlad on August 19, 2010 08:54 pm

Hi Vlad,

Interesting adds to the story of the Wellington from comana lake.
But I have a question for you. Did your father found a metal propeller blade from Comana lake. I heard a story that was found near the crash of the Wellington but was not from the british plane (with wood propellers) but from a german plane (most probably a Bf 110 crashed nearby in the same year) and the blade was given to Willy Mosor. It is true?

Yes it's true the propeller blade is at my home i will post pictures tomorrow !

Scuze pentru lumba Romana.
Muzeul Aviatiei a dorit sa recupereze acest avion dar s-a lovit de neintelegerea sefilor, atunci se numea CAT, forul superior. Pentru recuperare era nevoie de personal calificat, iar CAT nu auzise de "Arheologia Aeronautica", arheologii au cuplat imediat, dar totul s-a rezumat la neintelegerea unor oameni, aviatori care nu iubesc aviatia.
A venit acest Wili cu escavatorul si a inceput sa sape, a distrus totul pana a ajuns la bombe si s-a oprit, cei din sat au anuntat poloitia, a fost sesizat si CAT care la trimis pe Colonelul Arhitect Costache Constantin care nu a mai recuperat decat motoarele, si ele deteriorate.
Mai departe istoria este si mai stranie, motoarele au intrat in posesia Muzeului Aviatiei care a primit aprobarea sa le trimita la Turbimecanica pentru restaurare, au fost restaurate, expuse o singura data la Otopeni, s-au reantors la Turbomecanica din vari motove, apoi au disparut fara urma.
Se pare ca au ajuns la mama lor, in Anglia, conta cost caci troc nu s-a facut.
Au trecut 10 ani si faptele s-au prescris.

Domnule Antoniu de unde sti tu aceste lucruri, care este sursa ta. Ai putea te rog sa il descri pe Domnul Costache Constantin sti macar cum arata ? tatal meu are poze cu domnul Costache de la locul faptei. Tatal meu a filmat cu camera video in fiecare zi cat a stat acolo plus fotografiile are le-a facut plus un jurnal care la scris zilnic in perioada cat a stat acolo. Eu am o retinere sa postez fotografiile si materialul video pe acest site. Pe langa ce a fost scris in ziarul local din Giurgiu s-ar putea sa apara si un material video la Televiziunea locala.

The story about the engine (I heard it was only one) must be true.
I heard the same thing from dif sourses.

The ideea is the "we" have many possib wreks found.
No one was ever interested in digging.
Including National Geografic.

What Mr Mosor did ,was a very good job.
Only that those who schould have helped him ,and continiu his work did the same "Romanian Bullshit".
That plane's place was in a museum,not in private pockets.

This post has been edited by C-2 on August 23, 2010 06:25 am

Indeed the fate of the engines was a sad story. I was at that time working in Turbomecanica when the two engines were bring for restauration in the RU-TV building ( russian helicopter TV 100 engines production facilities). One engine was dismantled and the other was left untouch. After Turbomecanica was split in three small companies, no more interest to finish the restoration . The pieces from the dismantled engine were sent to the scrap yard and the other engine was left rusting outside of the building. I called a friend (pilot at Otopeni Transport unit) to explain the situation to the Museum chief. Next day I saw passing on the boulevard a military 4x4 ARO with the Wellington engine in the back.
Unfortunetly two years later the surviving engine was sent again to Turbomecanica (and probably restored ). The final fate of this engine is still unclear. Rumors are that was sold and probably we will never see it again.

This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on August 23, 2010 08:02 am

Please try to make pictures to every stamp or data written on the blade. I m not sure from what plane could it be.

Please try to make pictures to every stamp or data written on the blade. I m not sure from what plane could it be.

I don't think he's going to post pictures as he said:

For which reasons, he doesn't mention. To be noted that the way of expression and the orthography mistakes are in the OTV-style.

I think that "Domnul Antoniu" knows what he is talking about...
I heard this story from two different sources too.

The story of the "plane in Lake Comana" is well-known among aviation enthusiastas in Romania (and maybe abroad too). This was also briefly portrayed on page 51 of the book "La Chasse de Nuit Germano-Roumaine" by Jean Louis Roba and Cristian Craciunoiu, with a couple of photos, including a photo of Col. Costache Constantin, three bomb disposal people and Cristian Craciunoiu at the location.

I think that the best way to clarify the situation is to show the photos of "what actually happened". It may be a good thing... the story as we know it does not put Wili in a very good light.

Radu

This post has been edited by Radub on August 23, 2010 08:42 am

Domnule Mosor, tu erai mic in momentul desfasurarii evenimentelor, am fost la fata locului de multe ori, impreuna cu colonelul arhitect Costache de la Muzeul Aviatiei incercand sa-l convinvgem sa opreasca distrugerea, sa venim cu specialisti, s-a oprit in final cand a dat cu escavatorul de bombe.
Avem si noi fotografii de la acea interventie neautorizatea si neprofesionala, daca le postez vei vedea adevarata realitate. Le poti posta singur, zici ca ai asemenea fotografii, vreu sa vad oameni intervenind cu scule speciale si elemente intregi dezvelite si recuperate. Nu exista asemenea imagini in fotografii.
Nu se face arheologie aeronautica cu excavatorul model Castor.
Asta este realitatea indiferent ce vrei sa scoti in evidenta.

Domnule Antoniu cum puteti sa spuneti ca a fost o interventie neautorizatea si neprofesionala, avand in vedere ca am postat poza cu autorizatia tatalui meu. Si avand in vedere ca in momentul cand tatal meu a descoperit bombele el a anuntat armata, asa ca a fost o interventie autorizata si profesionista din partea tatalui meu. De ce trebuie sa justific de 1000 de ori intentia tatalui meu cand a fost la Comana ? Din acest motiv nu vreau sa mai postez nici poze nici sa mai discut pe acest forum. Inainte sa veniti cu o acuzatie cititi commenturile mele anterioare.

Si inca ceva Domnule Antoniu, de ce armata nu a scos avionele de la comana cu multi ani inainte de tatal meu ? armata stia de existenta lor. Armata nu a stiut decat sa isi asume laude de gasirea avionului dupa munca tatalui meu, si mai ales ca au continuat sapaturile in aceasi modalitate ca tatal meu. Daca tata nu scotea avioanele de la comana si acuma erau acolo asta este o realitate.

Please post in English !

Is anything that was found during the recovery actually exhibited at M. Av ?