Note on aggressiveness

Denes,
I really have no problems with a foreign author writing our
history as long as he mantains a REAL objectivity.
I realise that if we are not able do do this someone
will so i'm already used to it; but still i'm having trouble finding
such remarks as yours in books with similar topics written by JL Roba or even G.Punka to name just a couple...
Denes, the "Erdely complex" is actually yours personally not romanians.
Addind a few remarks in some books will not change anything , but if this makes
you feel more Hungarian, continue.

Mr. 109, thank you for pointing out my so-called "complexes". Most kind of you. (So, apparently, we all misread your previous e-mail and you actually don't have anything against foreigners writing about "your" history after all - except my humble person).

Mr. 109, my books are about the history of aviation, so please focus on this topic and let me/us know if you think you've found an error, or you have additional info that would help complete the overall picture. That way, you would contribute something positive and not only add to the negative entropy increasingly present on this forum (see this thread's title).

Just another friendly advise.

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on March 11, 2005 03:43 pm

109,
The problem is that almost no books about the ARR are on the market.
Even "our" Aeromagazin rearly writes something about the Romania aviation.
The wife of Gavriliu paid from her oun money the book about her husband.
Personaly I never met Denes,never talked with him on the phone,and only lately I saw how he looks.If he wrote several books about the Romanian aviation(I never saw or red one)that's all right by me,since he contribute to the promovation of the ARR.If some of his articles are with mistakes or are innacurate,let us leave it to other book writers to correct him.
If he's one of the few that are writing,good or bad -that's what we have.
A few time ago ,I told the publisher of A.M (MCR) about our site.He that it is a (site de c_ _ t).I asked him why he doesn't make a better one,but I got no answer.
Anyway I don't think that this site is so bad as he decribed.

Gentelmen,

If I know well this forum is to promote The Romanian Army and History not to discredit its. The problem is that some ejusdem farinae from the members of this forum want to change our history and more to teach us their history. Here I found that 30 August 1940 was a "award" not a diktat, that the ARR fought for the nazzi war machinery, "that our aces had weak pilot and commanding qualities" (quoting 109) etc.. I think that here is more about a defiant attitude and an absence of respect of some of the forumists (these ones are also impartial) as regards Romanian History and its heros, and at the same time as concerns us like Romanians.
And now I want say someting in Romanian language, quoting a romanian historian: ,,Trecutul - este ştiut - constituie a componentă a conştiinţei identitare. Discreditându-l, este subminată această conştiinţă. De ce şi în folosul cui este întreprină o atât de funestă acţiune?"

P.S.> Iar dacă această atitudine va persista, cred că dialogul de pe acest forum nu va mai fi bazat pe sentimente, ci pe resentimente.



Fratello

This post has been edited by Fratello on March 13, 2005 04:56 pm

Are you hungarian, Indrid? I had no idea.

Considering how heated are the politics today, and how divided are people all over the world, it is funny to remember that a Japanese-American named Francis Fukuyama wrote in 1990 a book titled "The End of History".

The idea was that as the end of Communism happened, and the Warsaw Pact disolved, the end of the Cold War will mean that no notable events will occur "from now on" (i.e. from 1991 ahead), and the history will enter into an uninteresting but peaceful period, with no notable events.

The guy proved to be so wrong, and so soon, that should be remembered from time to time only for this!

This post has been edited by Florin on March 15, 2005 05:32 am

well i am not exactly hungarian. my father is a szekely (secui).
unfortunately i live in romania. or fortunately... i haven't decided yet

Maybe this thread should be split because the post I'm quoting and mine too will discuss anything but agressiveness on the forum.

OT then:

I'm sorry to break it to you, but you either haven't read the book yourself, or if you actually have, you haven't understood a word out of it (maybe you read the japanese-american language version, in which case you can be excused )

The book was not a prediction about the advent or lack of future wars, it was about philosophical and political ideologies - which it thoroughly analyzed, from Athenian democracy to 1980s Perestroika sovietism - and its conclusion was that liberal, capitalist democracy was the final and only rational solution to human needs as we have known them for the last 4000 yeras or so - an "END TO HISTORY" as far as political ideology developments are concerned. A post-modern Hegelian view that for some unknown reasons infuriated to tears the marxists and other various parts of the political fauna .

And his conclusions from "The End of History" I consider to be not only confirmed by the last developments in 2004 and 2005, but confirmed beyond anyone's wildest expectations. The European Union project is, BTW, another instance of practical application founded on the idea of "end of history" as Fukuyama defined it - It's not that I'm saying that the EU was founded on Fukuyama's idea, but the very EU idea and structure is described by it.

Later Fukuyama adjusted this conclusion because of the advent of biotechnologies and genetic improvements which he considers to be the greatest single challenge to democracy.

P.S. Ah, and if we're talking about success of Fukuyama's theory, here's a photo of yesterday's demonstrations in Beirut. It seems they're the largest pro-democracy demonstrations in the entire history of the ME, YET:

This post has been edited by valachus on March 15, 2005 10:45 am

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Yes, you are right, I did not read the book. I read a comment about it (spread along few pages). So I'll use this excuse to pass the responsibility to the person who wrote that comment. Yes, the idea of the comment was that indeed the Capitalism is the winner. For the moment, yes...

But if we will not blow up ourselves with nukes, and we will survive to the ecological disasters we incur to this poor planet, I guess in the long run the humanity will return to a kind of Socialism which is unclear to define now. I am counting centuries, not years.

Returning to present, yes, that was a big anti-Syrian demonstration, but the other guys performed a pro-Syrian demonstration as big as the one you shown in the photo. So instead of being convinced of the "wind of change" in the area, I would better say that is a proof of how divided that society is.

Ha Ha Ha... I wouldn't have believed that I would meet a Fukuyama fan on this forum... When I began university classes, Fukuyama was a hip author....after September 11, he was brought to his deserved end as a man you could trust...

As far as I'm concerned, it's a pleasant surprise that at least they did told you of Fukuyama, albeit in the familiar way of forcing the allumni to criticize someone without reading him first (ever heard of "Anti-Duhring"?), so perhaps at least sometime in the future you'll take the time to read and understand his book, and who knows, to go as far as to write, here or elsewhere, a reasoned critique of his "end of history" theory.

It'll be a task a quantum leap away from the learning by heart of the writings of V. Magureanu, A. Nastase, A. Iorgovan, V. Pasti et alii truly ejusdem farinae that are the core of the syllabus (is I.I. Iliescu included in it too, by any chance?) for students in Romanian political science classes, but maybe you'll pull it off. Do notify me when you do.

This post has been edited by valachus on March 17, 2005 04:24 pm

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

Now that's a first for me, being the second in a fight! Permit me to take care of it! I fully recognise the wallachian style that made Romania so infamous!

First of all, the Fukuyama discussion was not originated by me, merely continued with an observation derived from personal experience. I did not say I read it, I did not say I didn't. I am not Florin with whom you were talking. But because you are forcing me to say something, I will: yes, I read Fukuyama and he is bullshit. BULLSHIT! Arguments: he is talking about bullshit therefore his books are bullshit. Satisfied? For a more argumentative discussion, I expect you in the general forum, not in this thread...

I am not one of those students that think that the university is the best place on earth (you might ask Indrid if you want such an opinion ), but I'll make an effort to respond, using advanced wallachian logic: ?????

I am not one of those students that think that the university is the best place on earth (you might ask Indrid if you want such an opinion ), but I'll make an effort to respond, using advanced wallachian logic: ?????

i hate universities 10 times more than you