Soviets preparing their own invasion of Europe, Myth or reality?

well good thing Jukov was away from Moscow at the time. or he too might have fallen victim to the purges.

About the Historia article I talked about...
Pretty interesting and it only shows that each side has its own version of events.
Suvorov and Falin are the two sides of the same coin: historical revisionism with a political agenda.

Who knows? Maybe Jukov was "protected". Maybe he had more chances than others.

Iama

"protected"?

what do you mean?

Not protected-protected, but "protecded". Something like not so exposed like others, because was seen as a smart soldiers with potential by those ipotetical (?*) "brain hunters". I have to re-read about Jukov, to see if was hit, or if enjoyed some luck/protection.

Iama

Ok, here are Falin's points:

-- according to him the Allies knew that Germany could be defeated in 1942 as the bulk of German forces were in the East and at that time there were no permanent defense works on 2000km of French beaches. A landing would have forced the germans to capitulate

-- on August 20th 1943 at the Quebec meeting they (Britian and the US) discussed getting out of the alliance with USSR and entering an alliance with Germany (after the Kursk disaster)

-- the idea of weakening the russians by using the germans was developed by Churchill with general Kutiwpov since 1919 -- the French, British and US are reluctant or unable to reign in USSR so the job has to be given to Germany or Japan

-- the indecision of the Allies in august 1939 forced the USSR to sign a demonstrative non-aggression pact with Germany; Russia became the target of the German war machine

-- Operation Overlord was postponed for 1944 because the allied experts apprectiated that in 1944 the Soviet offensive power will be spent, calculating the losses it had suffered;

-- the landings coincided with the coup plot against Hitler and the generals that were supposed to take over would have ended hostilities with Britain and US and all would have speeded forward so as to stop the Soviets on the 1939 borders

-- the Ardenees offensive was supposed to show US and Britain that they will not be able to reach Germany before the USSR does

-- in 1941 and 1942 the (western) Allies waited the defeat of the SU before committing to a certain policy

-- the major goal in the minds of the (western) Allies, despite their their operations which pinned important german forces, was to stop the SU

-- his conclusion is that the opening of the 2nd front in 1942 would have diminuated the human losses in Europe by 10-12 million, and Auschwitz would have never occurred as that started to function totally only in 1944

This post has been edited by Imperialist on May 21, 2005 12:26 pm

It looks like something comming out of the Soviet propganda machine. Falin seems to overlook the raid on Dieppe in August 1942, which shows just how prepared were the Western Allies for invading France.

True, but its funny to note each side's bias in reinterpreting history. I mean the supporters of Falin and those of Suvorov.
And its also interesting to note that the 1919 events can be/are interpreted as being the forerunners of the 1941 ones, in the same way as the 1920 Polish-SU war can be interpreted vice-versa by the other side.

About Dieppe, if I read Falin's mind correctly he probably says a large-scale landing similar to that of 1944 only earlier... werent only British forces at Dieppe?

Anyways, his military knowledge is absurd. Even if the allies landed in 1942, how come he doesnt imagine the germans transferring forces from the East to the West, and preferrs to think about outright defeat?

Nevertheless, he has a point in the fact that the Allies prepared the Operation Torch rather than a landing in Europe... then went to Sicily and Italy and only afterwards landed in Normandy. Falin probably sees these operations on secondary fronts as "guilty".

Well, after a search on the net I found the complete interview with Falin:

http://agitprop.org.au/nowar/20050322_nov_..._on_history.php

It seems that Historia didnt have the cojones to publish everything!

I havent read the complete interview yet, only what Historia published... what a waste of a good $.

This post has been edited by Imperialist on May 21, 2005 12:57 pm

Here are some major differences between the real Falin interview and the one published in Historia magazine. These differences are either sheer malice or outright incompetence in translating from english.
Also about half of the interview has been left out.

The original:

Historia's choice of the words:

I dont know where the hell did they get "demonstrativ"...

The original:

Historia translation:

The original:

Historia unclear translation:

This post has been edited by Imperialist on May 22, 2005 05:28 am

Interesting statements completely leftout of Historia, but worth debating here:

This post has been edited by Imperialist on May 22, 2005 05:48 am

Too bad they had destroyed the entire german army in the process. Only with its help they could have managed to defeat the russians...