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P.23 in ARR down over Black See, Looking for any information, confirmatio

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mirekw	Posted: July 09, 2005 11:37 am
Caporal Group: Members Posts: 128 Member No.: 517 Joined: February 22, 2005	Hi I have heard that during service in ARR one of PZL P.23 (it could be in 1941 - this is not sure), had dropted (forc-landing or was shot down into Black See (?) May someone can add some info about this case. Maybe in Rumania are any explorers who decide to pull out this P.23? :-) Regards, Mirek W

C-2	Posted: July 09, 2005 12:53 pm
General Medic Group: Hosts Posts: 2453 Member No.: 19 Joined: June 23, 2003	Mirekw, There are at least 2 ARR planes in a lake in Moldavia,that nobody cares to recover.... That 's the way it is here arownd. At the begining of the 70's there were 2 109 and a 111,on an airfield near Bucharest. What do you think "they "did? Send them to a museum? No way! SCRAPPING them!!!!!

D13-th_Mytzu	Posted: July 09, 2005 01:00 pm
General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004	C-2 where in Moldavia ? What planes ? Cip will be your personal slave for years to come if he finds something there

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Posted: July 09, 2005 02:26 pm

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QUOTE (mirekw @ Jul 9 2005, 05:37 PM)

I have heard that during service in ARR one of PZL P.23 (it could be in 1941 - this is not sure), had dropted (forc-landing or was shot down into Black See (?)

May someone can add some info about this case.

Yes, it appears that a P.23 was indeed lost in the Black Sea shortly after the war on East started. However, I have no information on the crash's precise location.

Gen. Dénes

cipiamon	Posted: July 09, 2005 05:54 pm
Sublocotenent Group: Members Posts: 471 Member No.: 115 Joined: October 06, 2003	I know about many planes, in black sea, rivers, lakes, Iar80, IAR 39, 109's, hidro planes, huricanes who whants one bring to money for the expedition and i wanna make sure that the plane goes in to the museum and in to a "private colection"

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Posted: July 09, 2005 06:45 pm

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QUOTE (cipiamon @ Jul 9 2005, 07:54 PM)

I know about many planes, in black sea, rivers, lakes, Iar80, IAR 39, 109's, hidro planes, huricanes who whants one bring to money for the expedition and i wanna make sure that the plane goes in to the museum and in to a "private colection"

It would still be better if these airplanes were saved in a private collection, than just wasted at a bottom of seas, lakes, rivers, etc.

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Posted: July 10, 2005 06:30 am

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QUOTE (D13-th_Mytzu @ Jul 9 2005, 01:00 PM)

C-2 where in Moldavia ? What planes ? Cip will be your personal slave for years to come if he finds something there

Cipi knows.
Cantacuzino told me and Stinghe confirmed,that in lacul Brates ,ther's an 80 with the pilot. And there may be some other planes too.

D13-th_Mytzu	Posted: July 10, 2005 08:21 am
General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004	Where is lacul Brates ? Cip I will finance you

Victor	Posted: July 10, 2005 10:14 am
Admin Group: Admin Posts: 4350 Member No.: 3 Joined: February 11, 2003	The Brates Lake is near Galati.

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Posted: July 10, 2005 11:56 am

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QUOTE (C-2 @ Jul 10 2005, 07:30 AM)

Cantacuzino told me and Stinghe confirmed,that in lacul Brates ,ther's an 80 with the pilot.

Do you have more details? Who is the pilot? When and why did he fall?

Dénes	Posted: July 10, 2005 02:46 pm
Admin Group: Admin Posts: 4368 Member No.: 4 Joined: June 17, 2003	There is also a P.Z.L. P.11c in Brates Lake (Vadul lui Isac). It crashed into it in the early days of the war, shot down by Soviet fighters. Gen. Dénes

George	Posted: July 10, 2005 04:04 pm
Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 80 Member No.: 138 Joined: November 07, 2003	Hi! Indeed,there is an "Karas" destroyed at Mamaia on 04.07.1941 after take-off,but I don`t kwow if crashed in sea or on the ground,and I thnk it was recovered some tie after.the only ather one lost in action was at 06.08.1941 near Tighina, engine damaged bu a.c.a.,crash landed,turnded over.

D13-th_Mytzu	Posted: July 10, 2005 04:08 pm
General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004	Can someone pls locate the lake on this map ? http://maps.google.com/maps?q=bucharest&ll...07918&t=k&hl=en Cip you have scuba-gear ?

D13-th_Mytzu	Posted: July 10, 2005 04:21 pm
General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004	Aparently this is it looks like an artificial lake... http://maps.google.com/maps?q=bucharest&ll...07918&t=k&hl=en Anyone knows how this lake was formed and why ? Denes, Vadul lui Isac is the same thing as this lake ? This post has been edited by D13-th_Mytzu on July 10, 2005 04:22 pm

Carol I	Posted: July 10, 2005 05:08 pm
General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2250 Member No.: 136 Joined: November 06, 2003	http://maps.google.com/maps?q=bucharest&ll...07918&t=k&hl=en Are you sure this is the right map? It shows an airport west of Timişoara.

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