Is this IAR80?

Cantacuzino,
I'll let my Dog bite you!

Could be Nr.400 who is listed in Esc.58 Vt. destroyed on 24.04.1944,pilot ukn.

It's in 41....

Cantacuzino,
Who's IAR is that?

OK
The Nr.100 was put in sevice in November 1941,there for is not possible to be accidented in summer time,there in grass under.It made a BELLY landing in 22.08.1944,and this one is turned over and extensively damaged.And at a closer look,the first digit is not an 1.The photo was not made in 1941.
The Nr.400 was put in service in January 1944.

That crashed plane is definitely not a IAR80. It is almost certainly a PZL 11 but may be a 24.
It has corrugated aluminium tail with reinforcing ribs on the rudder typical of the PZL planes.
It has horizontal taiplanes typical of PZL 7/11/24, which are narrower than IAR80 and skinned with corrugated aluminium.
Radu

Good point, now i am allmost sure is a PZL 11, thanks.

I looked well.
If it's not "100",what nr could it be?

Good point, Radu. However, since the entire tail section of the I.A.R. 80 is identical to the P.Z.L. P.11, it's hard to tell which type's wrecks are shown in that blurry photo.

P.24 cannot be, because the max. tail number was 30. Therefore it could be P.11F, No. 100 (unfortunately, I don't have any info on this loss).

Gen. Dénes

Hi Denes,
It must be a PZL11 then.
Please also note the "mottle" camouflage, similar to that of the PZL11b in the picture on page 18 of "Rumanian Air Force - The Prime Decade" (the contrast between the colours does not appear as pronounced).
In the crash picture, both the fixed and the moveable parts of the taiplane are covered in corrugated aluminium. On the IAR80, the fixed parts were covered in smooth aluminium and the moveable parts were fabric covered.

By the way, the rear of the IAR80 was not entirely identical to that of a PZL 11/24.
The main fuselage unit from the rear of the cockpit to the rudder is indeed identical.
However, the "hump" behind the cockpit is narrower with a distinct flare and kick-up at the bottom. It does not go as far down as that of the 24. It is very similar to that of the 11 (which is somehow different from that of the 24) but not an exact copy - it is an originalIAR design.
Also the tail and rudder of the IAR80 are different in shape and, as mentioned above, are covered with smooth aluminium rather than the trademark corrugated PZL skin. The angle of the taiplanes is adjustable on the PZL11/24 whereas the IAR80 has fixed taiplanes. The PZL taiplanes are completely different in shape and construction from those of the IAR80 which an original IAR design.
It is safe to say that the rear of the AR80 is "based" on the PZL design rather than a direct copy.
Radu

This post has been edited by Radub on July 31, 2005 09:12 am

Ok man!
It si PZL P-11F Nr.100 Srg.Av.Teodorescu midair collission with No.141 Srg. Scully on 05.09.1940.Both pilots hit the silk.

George,
Where have you been all this time?