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AVIATION DAY, 20 Iuly

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C-2	Posted: July 20, 2005 08:59 pm
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C-2	Posted: July 20, 2005 09:07 pm
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C-2	Posted: July 25, 2005 07:36 pm
General Medic Group: Hosts Posts: 2453 Member No.: 19 Joined: June 23, 2003	Just got a call from Mytzu; Tomcat visited the Munteanu "phantom" veteran. Aparently he flew Savoia and 111.

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Posted: July 25, 2005 09:05 pm

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QUOTE (C-2 @ Jul 25 2005, 08:36 PM)

Just got a call from Mytzu;
Tomcat visited the Munteanu "phantom" veteran.
Aparently he flew Savoia and 111.

Is his name indeed Emil Grigore Munteanu?

C-2	Posted: July 25, 2005 09:09 pm
General Medic Group: Hosts Posts: 2453 Member No.: 19 Joined: June 23, 2003	I cannot tell..... I maight forgot or Mytzu didn't told me the other name. What I find strange ,is the fact that there were 3 Savoia pilots(Hladiuk,Coman,Constantinciu),and a 111 pilot- Stoian. No one knew him!

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Posted: July 25, 2005 09:36 pm

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QUOTE (C-2 @ Jul 26 2005, 03:09 AM)

What I find strange ,is the fact that there were 3 Savoia pilots(Hladiuk,Coman,Constantinciu),and a 111 pilot- Stoian.
No one knew him!

Both the Savoia S.79 and the Heinkel He 111 were flown long after the war's end, as transports. Perhaps it was then when he flew these airplane types.
Again, his log book (carnet de zbor) would clarify the issue...

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D13-th_Mytzu	Posted: July 26, 2005 08:08 am
General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004	Tomcat didn't get his other name(s), but as I recall he did say he flew during the war.However we are going to meet him about 2 weeks from now so we will sort things out.As for Savoia and He-111 it could be just a bad timing - Stoian mainly flew Ju88, perhaps he flew He111 before Stoian got to the front and he briefly flew Savoia in '44 ... just speculations.Will clear this when we talk to him.

C-2	Posted: July 28, 2005 12:28 pm
General Medic Group: Hosts Posts: 2453 Member No.: 19 Joined: June 23, 2003	Only in Romanian WWW.gandul.info/2005-07-21 interesting article about the av. day!

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Posted: July 28, 2005 12:41 pm

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Indeed C2, hope you guys do not mind if I copy/p[aste the article here:

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Ziua Aviaţiei Române – sărbătorită o jumătate de oră, între două zboruri în judeţele inundate
Mihai DIAC

Preşedintele Băsescu – luat la rost de veteranii de război

Ziua Aviaţiei Române, aceeaşi cu Ziua Sfântului Prooroc Ilie Tesviteanul – protectorul aviatorilor, a fost sărbătorită, ieri, mai discret decât în ultimii ani. În semn de solidaritate cu populaţia afectată de inundaţii, la bazele aeriene de la Bacău, Câmpia Turzii şi Feteşti s-au organizat spectacole aeriene şi expoziţii de tehnică militară, în scopul strângerii de fonduri pentru sinistraţi. În Bucureşti, la Monumentul Eroilor Aerului, a avut loc un ceremonial militar şi religios de o jumătate de oră, la care au venit mai puţini aviatori decât de obicei – cei mai mulţi neputând lipsi de la misiunile urgente din această perioadă. La ceremonia de la Bucureşti au asistat, printre alţii, ministrul Apărării Naţionale, Teodor Atanasiu, secretarul de stat pentru Armamente, Ion Ioan, şeful Statului Major General, gen. Eugen Bădălan, şi alte oficialităţi. Preşedintele României, Traian Băsescu, nici n-a venit la ceremonie, nici nu şi-a trimis vreun reprezentant, astfel că mesajul şefului statului a fost citit de un ofiţer din Statul Major al Forţelor Aeriene – generalul de brigadă Marinel Nicolae. Mesajul a făcut referire la acţiunile aviatorilor militari în zonele calamitate: “V-aţi comportat eroic, aţi dat dovadă de înalte calităţi morale, de generozitate şi altruism”, dar a uitat să menţioneze meritele aviatorilor militari în timpul celui de-al doilea război mondial. Gafa prezidenţială a fost sancţionată de liderul veteranilor de război aviatori, generalul ® Ion Di Cesare, vicepreşedinte al Asociaţiei Cavalerilor Ordinului “Mihai Viteazu” – din care fac parte militarii decoraţi cu cea mai înaltă decoraţie românească de război, Ordinul “Mihai Viteazu”. Generalul Di Cesare s-a dus la ministrul Apărării şi la şeful SMG pentru a le atrage atenţia că „în toate ţările civilizate – Marea Britanie, Franţa, Germania, Rusia – se vorbeşte de cei care au făcut al doilea război mondial. La noi, preşedintele nici nu ne pomeneşte”. Puşi în această situaţie penibilă, oficialii Ministerului Apărării Naţionale s-au retras discret.

What pisses me of is that onle a few days later it was Navy day and Basescu was there and also a parade was held, but not on aviation day... oh well he is a sailor afterall, why would he care about romanian aviation ?

This post has been edited by D13-th_Mytzu on July 28, 2005 12:43 pm

Victor	Posted: July 28, 2005 05:57 pm
Admin Group: Admin Posts: 4350 Member No.: 3 Joined: February 11, 2003	The day of the Romanian Navy is on 15 August, the day that celebrates the passing of the Virgin Mary. What you are probably referring to is the arrival of the Regina Maria frigate at Constanta.

D13-th_Mytzu	Posted: July 28, 2005 06:22 pm
General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004	hmm you are probably right, I was watching news on the run before leaving to work so I only saw a ship with some sailors on it and basescu saluting them... I heard no comments, so I just assumed they were celebrating navy day.

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Posted: August 18, 2005 02:11 pm

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I have found the following Munteanus that received the order:

adj. sef av. Gheorghe Munteanu
slt. av. Gheorghe Munteanu
lt. obs. Emil Munteanu
slt. av. Gheorghe Munteanu (another one)
adj. av. Dumitru Munteanu
lt. av. Lazar Munteanu
lt. cdor. Teodor Munteanu

Today he was present to Ghencea Military Cemetery and I heard him saying his age is 90 years and 3 month old, maybe we can i.d. him by birthday date ?

PS: you can dld a small movie with Dobran talking abot the mission when Serbanescu fell, from this link (hurry because the dld will not be available for long) : http://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0JKTMSN...PO2U06KX31VUFXV

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