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> Are there any Romanian WWII reenactment societies?
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Posted: October 17, 2005 07:23 pm
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QUOTE (Dénes @ Oct 17 2005, 07:10 PM)
For a reproduction!

I hope you don’t get me wrong the price is huge!!! (~1263,5 RON)
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Posted: October 17, 2005 07:53 pm
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QUOTE (mihnea @ Oct 18 2005, 01:23 AM)
QUOTE (Dénes @ Oct 17 2005, 07:10 PM)
For a reproduction!

I hope you don’t get me wrong the price is huge!!! (~1263,5 RON)

Yes, my point exactly.

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Cristian
Posted: October 18, 2005 07:42 am
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https://www.frankonia.de/scripts/waffen/geb...erby=hersteller
Mihnea, you can buy rifles from here, but you need police licence for firearms.The prices are quite fair.
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Posted: December 25, 2005 10:16 pm
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This link might help. Have been trying to gather materials in the US but hard to do except for weapons.

http://www.italianfront.com/ww2repros.htm


Wait to see the pics. Usually Euro's will be more for us in the States! rolleyes.gif
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Posted: December 27, 2005 12:05 pm
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At last,for those who love war games, somebody bring airsoftguns and related equipment in Romania
http://www.airsoft.ro/arme.php
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Posted: December 27, 2005 02:32 pm
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QUOTE (RHaught @ Dec 25 2005, 10:16 PM)
This link might help. Have been trying to gather materials in the US but hard to do except for weapons.

http://www.italianfront.com/ww2repros.htm


Wait to see the pics. Usually Euro's will be more for us in the States! rolleyes.gif

The Romanian WWII section is still under construction and I think it will be so for a long time.
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Posted: December 27, 2005 02:37 pm
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QUOTE (Cristian @ Dec 27 2005, 12:05 PM)
At last,for those who love war games, somebody bring airsoftguns and related equipment in Romania
http://www.airsoft.ro/arme.php

It would be nice to bring beside modern weapons and MP-40´s, Thomson’s and other WWII weapons.
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Posted: December 27, 2005 03:59 pm
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How about this: Japanese guys playing Rumanian soldiers.
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More photos:
http://flitz.web.infoseek.co.jp/Romania.html

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  Posted: December 27, 2005 05:21 pm
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blink.gif We should be shamed that even the Japanese have Romanian reenactors and we don’t have any and we are Romanians.

I can’t believe what I am seeing, but the uniform that was for sale on eBay was bought by someone from Japan, so this might be the guy.

I wonder how did you find that website?
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Posted: December 28, 2005 11:53 am
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QUOTE (mihnea @ Dec 27 2005, 08:21 PM)
I can’t believe what I am seeing, but the uniform that was for sale on eBay was bought by someone from Japan, so this might be the guy.

A Google translation for that page shows:

Concerning the equipment which is worn with the photograph of this page.
The helmet which is the signboard of the Rumanian troop utilizes those of the Dutch troop (after the war is thought as the item). There is no difference in form.
After the war it substitutes the winding gaiter of the belt shape with Japanese Self Defense Force ones.
The jacket acquires 徽 chapter to the troop clothes the around Spain, hides the front adjusting and wears those which were remodelled to the button.
As for the low shoes the cheap job shoes which are sold at foam/home center and the like. As for belt those of brown leather make solid color of the Swiss troop.
(With the photograph which wears mosquito Pell the low shoes of the Swiss troop are worn.)
The ammunition porch, as for the careless pouch that it seemed and equipped those of the German troop.
If the person whom you see sees, this much there is no either random troop equipment, but in order for there to be meaning in you try doing first, you think the troop equipment of this type.
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Posted: December 28, 2005 07:07 pm
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So the short message of this "translation" is that there is nothing truly Romanian about this equipment? He was just trying to get as close as he could?
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Posted: December 28, 2005 09:33 pm
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Sorry, I'm a bit confused, huh.gif I thought earlier on this post someone (I think Mihnea) said there were reproductions made in Romania, and gave the contact e-mail? Is that a company or individual?

Also what about what the Museum group is doing, and who made those WWII reproductions in the photo from last May opening? Doesn't the museum have an original troops' uniform one could possibly copy and is the lack of fabric the only problem or did I miss something?

I know of Horia Serbanescu's excellent articles, are those uniforms from his own collection or the museum's or some of both. Beautiful reconstruction photographs, the Romanians had a really great looking kit! Too bad there is not a lot of interest yet to make a good uniformological study outside of Romania (something in the form of a militaria type book for recognizing items). BTW is he not a member of this forum??

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Posted: December 28, 2005 09:46 pm
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QUOTE (calarasi @ Dec 29 2005, 03:33 AM)
I know of Horia Serbanescu's excellent articles (...)  BTW is he not a member of this forum??

I wish he would be, as the participation of more Rumanian specialists (and professional historians, I might add) would be a tremendous benefit to this forum.

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Posted: December 28, 2005 10:02 pm
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QUOTE (calarasi @ Dec 28 2005, 09:33 PM)
Sorry, I'm a bit confused,  huh.gif I thought earlier on this post someone (I think Mihnea) said there were reproductions made in Romania, and gave the contact e-mail? Is that a company or individual?

Also what about what the Museum group is doing, and who made those WWII reproductions in the photo from last May opening? Doesn't the museum have an original troops' uniform one could possibly copy and is the lack of fabric the only problem or did I miss something?

I know of Horia Serbanescu's excellent articles, are those uniforms from his own collection or the museum's or some of both.  Beautiful reconstruction photographs, the Romanians had a really great looking kit! Too bad there is not a lot of interest yet to make a good uniformological study outside of Romania (something in the form of a militaria type book for recognizing items).  BTW is he not a member of this forum??

Welcome to this forum.

The uniforms used by the "Museum group" are very accurate replicas made in Romania and the cloth was painted to obtain the right colour, they were made by an individual.

huh.gif I have never posted an e-mail address, maybe a link.

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Beautiful reconstruction photographs, the Romanians had a really great looking kit!

You don´t like my kit: http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2360&st=15 biggrin.gif

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Posted: December 30, 2005 06:21 am
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The picture of the Japanese reenactor wearing a Romanian WW2 uniform is a very good example of how the things are going today with the Romanian military history.

During the Communist era there was a stupid nationalist approach concerning the Romanian history (the Romanians were the first, the best, the bravest, the honest, the more hospitable, etc. etc. among the neighbouring countries). This was imposed by the official propaganda, managed by General Ilie Ceausescu, the Romanian leader’s brother, with the blessing of some important historians, but never fully assimilated by the ordinary people who mistrusted these theories as other official dogmas of the Communist Party. Since 1989, when the official way of learning the national history disappeared, it was nothing to replace it. Because of the transition efforts but also the lack of real education make ordinary people to be not interested anymore in history, except some stupid nationalists and the politicians during the official ceremonies. Even the great Romanian historians don’t accept that today’s history has “democratized”. There are a lot of ways to approach the history, there is not a single truth and everyone lived and understands history in a different way. The historical events are not simply good or bad, and you have to respect others opinion when refer to the moments of the past. I thing it’s more important to understand the every day life of people who lived another time than the life of great (“legendary”) personalities or the great events of the history.

The reenacting it’s a result of the "democratization" of history. The reenactor it’s a private person who has an interest on a historical moment and try to better understand it by recreating the atmosphere of that time. Generally he is a collector and learns to respect old objects, by saving them from destruction, by restoring and displaying them. As a military reenactor, he is not a militarist and, despite some exceptions, he also learns to respect the former enemies, now colleagues who have the same hobby. He pays tribute to the soldiers who honorably died for their country along the history.

Contrary to the everywhere situation, there are very few people in Romania, interested in such historical approach. Most of the people even don’t know about this way of learning and understanding history. The reenactment must be a result of a private initiative. The reenacting group of the 6th Dorbanti Regiment is such a private initiative. It is located at the Military Museum only because Horia Serbanescu, who is one of its initiators, works there. The group has the Museum support for some activities (providing with weapons and offering its location for the shows) and, in exchange, it offers its contribution to the Museum’s events (such as the “Open gates”). Everywhere there is a cooperation between the reenacting (or historical) groups and the public institutions (sponsors are always welcomed), they help each other, but as I said, the reenacting came from the individual and it’s not created or imposed by some official authorities. This make the pleasure and the fun of this activity. For example, during the Museum’s “Open gates” apart the reenactment group, composed of people of different ages, consciously wearing different types of equipment, according their preference and means, there was also a group of 10 uniformed soldiers of the Guard and Protocol Regiment, equipped with Communist (WW2 style) uniforms, who performed some drill movements and fire demonstrations. The reenactors’s drill movements probably were not so perfect, as the real guard soldiers did, but were more human and close to the attitude of the WW2 soldiers. At least, they understood why and what they are wearing and carrying and the reason of their behaviour. The real Guard soldiers moved as robots and felt silly in those clothes and attitudes.

There are more and more foreign enthousiasts from US, Canada, Ukraine, Japan interested in reenacting Romanian WW2 soldiers. I hope and militate to fallow their example. But, again, this must be a private initiative, that could gather militaria collectors and military history enthousiasts. The next year Museum events (“The Romanian army during the reign of Carol I. 1866-1914”, on 13-14 of May, and especially, the first international reenactment show in Romania that will commemorate the Battle of Arges River, of 1916, held at Mogosoaia area, on 16th September) could rally Romanian reenactors and enthousiasts.

Any interested people?
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