On the origins of Romanian language

Hi D-13th Mytzu,

I am not saying that there necessarily IS a Bucharest dialect/grai today. I am suggesting that there WAS a Bucharest regional one from which the current national Romanian language emerged. I will produce a quote that supports this, as promised.

If this is true, this might well explain why a Bucharest regional accent is not detectable today.

Cheers,

Sid.

I am totaly speechless.

You'd better do that.And faster.

Cool down.

Zayets, "graba strica treaba" sorry admins - but translating it into english loses all flavour.

Sid, I am also curious of what you may find, for I never heard that there was a Bucharest dialect. Also, please keep in mind that Bucharest was not the only town with great cultural influence in the last 200 years, actually there was more activity in Moldova during the 19th century (this conclusion is based on what I read from "Istoria Romanilor Vol. VII" issued by Academia Romana).

This post has been edited by D13-th_Mytzu on August 22, 2005 01:39 pm

I have no problem in waiting as long as the wait takes a reasonable amount of time.

This post has been edited by Zayets on August 22, 2005 01:43 pm

Hi Imperialist,

Yes. I checked your original posts. Your source did offer the figures you produced. However, it did so in round figures or generalisations and offers only three origins - Latin, Slavic and Other. By contrast the Romanian Community in Belgium and Luxemburg source offers a breakdown of the "Latin" figure and several other specific languages, besides the 15% unaccounted for.

Look back carefully. I never even asked you for your source. You belatedly offered it when I took Agarici to task for employing double standards in only pursuing my sources and not yours. You then rushed to provide it in order to cover your back. Please check.

I was extremely easy going about your failure to give a source by not pressing you on it once. Please don't distort the truth by suggesting that I thought you had no source at all. All I did was point out to a third party that you hadn't offered one. This was absolutely true. You hadn't. Please check.

We have thus come back to two of my perennial complaints: (1) Your tardiness in providing sources and (2) misrepresentation of what I have posted.

Your complaints about the agreed limitations of the Romanian Community in Belgium and Luxemburg link ring rather hollow, when you have a much more authoritative source in your own hands - the DEX+S - but refuse to undertake any systematic analysis of it. This I will happily do.

Do you yet have a top/bottom, left/right preference?

Cheers,

Sid.

Hi Zayets,

As I have said before, it may be several months before I can get to a copy of the DEX+S. If this is too long, please reproach Imperialist, who apparently has a copy available now, and not me.

Cheers,

Sid.

P.S.: Back tomorrow.

Sid

Sid, this is a nice way to
get away from this thread, but its totally childish what you propose, the "random count". Thats why I dont even bother to do such an absurdity. What is your methodology, what are your variables, error ranges etc.?
Can you comprehend that out of 100 words you randomly count maybe 5% will be of indirect latin origin from french? How will you project that random result on the whole lexicon of the Romanian language????
I can only wish you good luck in your endeavour, as it will probably last years in order to be peer-reviewable and scientifically decent.
I for one preferr the works of romanian linguists.

take care

Yes, you do that systematic analysis if you so please but then when posting the findings of your research please provide the methodology too, so we form an idea of your methods.

Hi Imperialist,

I am glad I popped back.

I think it is best if we agree the methodology in advance, don't you?

I have already explained my proposed methodology two or three times and offered to let you play a role. I give it here in more detail:

I propose that I take a representative sample of words from the 1998 DEX+S chosen at random. Any objections?

I propose to take this representative sample by selecting one word from each page of the DEX+S 1998 edition. Any objections?

I further propose to guarantee the randomness of this selection by taking the words in question from exactly the same place on each page on the grounds that origin cannot in any way govern their position on that page because they are positioned alphabetically. Any objections?

I further propose that I take either the top/left, top/right, bottom/left or bottom/right word and that you select which in order to further guarantee that I cannot slant the selection. Any objections?

Cheers,

Sid.

The question was not about you slanting anything, but about the scientific relevancy of a random count of words from the DEX.
I've read your "methodology". What you have presented was the methodology of the count, but not of the research. This methodology will be useful in understanding the dynamics of your random count, but you will need a more thorough methodology in order to scientifically project your findings on the total composition of the romanian lexicon.
I wish you goodluck, and await the results.
It will also be useful to know the total number of pages that you will thus cover.
I'm curious what conclusions you will reach.

take care

Sid,I have also the DEX (not the newest though) with me but simply I don't have the time to count every word and note down their origins.This is the only thing you have left now and you're also not so keen in undertaking this. Several months is quite some time and then some other several months and so on.
I wish you best of luck, but before you leave (if that's your intention) then I have to agree with Imperialist.Sorry to say that,all you did is just making ... well , you just embarassed yourself.
Take care

Zayets, Sid will not count all the words, but randomly.
I wonder what results he will find and the way he will project those results. Because my DEX page is split in 2 columns, each with ~ 10-20 words. Thats ~ 20-40 words for page. He will take 1 word out of those 20-40, and combining the results from several pages, will try to project the result for the rest 19-39 words/page.
I'm not sure either that he really wants to do this.
But at least he'll get a copy of DEX and he'll be better prepared to discuss things here.

take care

Then it must be a very significant number to make at least half sense.
Neverthless,good luck Sid.