PZL 11&24

Know anybody precisely what armament have the PZL 11c, PZL 11f and PZL 24e from ARR during ww2 ?

Leo.

Look at www.arr.go.ro ,at Airplanes section.
You'll find everyting there....

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Know anybody precisely what armament have the PZL 11c, PZL 11f and PZL 24e from ARR during ww2 ? Leo.

The P.11c was armed with either 2 or 4 forward-firing 7.9 mm PWU wz.33 machine guns.

The PZL 11f was almost exactly the same plane, with the exception that it was manufactured in Romania by IAR, and had a IAR-K9 engine and 4 7,92 mm FN-Browning machine guns.

The ARR had bought a batch of 6 P.24e with another batch of 40 being manufactured under license. The P.24e was actually similar to the P.24b production, except for the engine, a 886hp or 926 hp Gnôme Rhône 14 KIIc32 or KIIIc36. The standard armament was 4 7.92mm Brownings.

The P.11c was armed with either 2 or 4 forward-firing 7.9 mm PWU wz.33 machine guns.

The PZL 11f was almost exactly the same plane, with the exception that it was manufactured in Romania by IAR, and had a IAR-K9 engine and 4 7,92 mm FN-Browning machine guns.

The ARR had bought a batch of 6 P.24e with another batch of 40 being manufactured under license. The P.24e was actually similar to the P.24b production, except for the engine, a 886hp or 926 hp Gnôme Rhône 14 KIIc32 or KIIIc36. The standard armament was 4 7.92mm Brownings.[/quote]



I am not so sure with this. Because in ARR web pages say at PZL P24E
2 20mm canons and 2 &.92 mm MG's (what type ?). Plus that in many other location the model of the MG's say it are 7.9 mm Colt-Browning MG40 ?! Maybe the first batch of 6 pcs are with 7.9 mm Colt-Browning MG40 and the rest with Brownings ? Plus that in that section we read about 40 kg bombs ? What bombs ?
And other question here is for PZL's P11C which were interned in Romania after theirs flee of ocuppied Poland;
what armament had ? Did romanians change the 7.9 mm PWU wz.33 with another ones and used in combat ?
Here are the real problem. Thank you.

Leo.

Leonardus,
Echiparea cu bombe a fost cintecul de lebada al PZL-urilor. In ultima perioada, campania Odesei au fost folosite pentru atac la sol. S/au dovedit foarte sensibile si vulnerabile. orice lovitura directa producea necazuri pilotului sau mecanicilor. Pierderile au fost atit de mari incit avioanele au fost rapid retrase de front si utilizate in scoli.

Please write in in English (see ForumRules). The non-Romanian members might also be interested.

Any data about how effective was PZL 11 & 24 in ARR? Some victorys / looses? Comparation against soviet planes from pilots who fly them?

Iama

While looking a bit more closely into the P.Z.L. P.24's service in ARR, I found several discrepancies. Maybe we can sort them out in a joint effort.

What engine type powered the P.24?
Some information say that all airframes were powered by a G&R K14 II c32 of 870 hp. Another source mentions that only the 5 Polish-made airframes were fitted with this engine type, while those 25 units manufactured at I.A.R. Brasov received the upgraded G&R K14 III c36 of 930 hp.

What armament was actually fitted to the Rumanian P.24s?
There are three versions "floating" around: 2 x 7,9 mm Browning FN MGs, 4 x 7,9 mm MGs and 2 x 7,9 mm MGs + 2 x 20 mm Oerlikon FF cannon.

When were the P.24s delivered to the ARR?
One source says up to Nov. 1939 all were delivered, while from documents it appears that deliveries were completed only in the Spring of 1940.

Any documented contributions would be welcomed.

Gen. Dénes

Does anyone know what was the final fate of the following P.24s in ARR service: Nos. 1, 4, 14, 23, 24? The last three were probably destroyed in various piloting schools in 1942.
Thank you.

Gen. Dénes

Further to answers to the above questions that remained unanswered, I'm also looking for any photos of the P.24 that would be suitable for publishing.

Gen. Dénes

Talking of W.W. 2-era airplanes in Turkey, there is a very rare (perhaps unique) P.Z.L. P.24 gull-wing fighter in a Turkish museum, which will temporarily be moved to Poland this month, for an air show.
Quite a revelation for Polish aviation fans...

Gen. Dénes

Last month, the first part of my article on the P.Z.L. P.24 in Rumanian service has been published in the Polish aviation magazine Skrzydlata Polska (No. 8/2005).
I enclose a scan of the cover and a couple of pages.

Gen. Dénes

Unfortunetly only in polish language written. Denes please translate for us

Unfortunately, I don't speak Polish.

Gen. Dénes