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yogy |
Posted: September 03, 2005 10:57 am
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 72 Member No.: 567 Joined: April 14, 2005 |
I would like to ask you guys for help...
I look for all information on airbases which were used from 1941-1944 in the Moldavian and Bessarabian part of Romania and the USSR. Here is a list of locations where afaik bases have been: Akerman (@Odessa) Bacau Belgrad (Bolgrad) Comrat Constanta Grigorypol Husi Kishinew Kotovsk Odessa Roman Tecuci+ Tiraspol (near Tighina) Wilkow (Danube-Delta) Furthermore, I have a number of names of which I do not know where they are. A lot of these might be further south, as I just collected anything I could get in the first run. Beltsi Boteni Calimanesti Ciocarlia (Bomber/See-Reccon) Culm Foksani (Bomber-AF) Ivesti (Bomber) Janca (Bomber) Kolosovka Kirovograd Krivoy Rog Leipzig (Romanians) Manzar Matca Mizil Otopeni (JG/NJG) Pervomaisk Pipera (near Bucharest?) Rosiori-de-Vede Tandarei Bomber Targosul Tepes-Voda Toryshino Trotus Zilistea Any info on additional bases would is wellcome . Thanks, yogy |
D13-th_Mytzu |
Posted: September 03, 2005 11:34 am
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General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004 |
Hello and welcome to the forum.
Constanta is not in Moldova, here is a thread about airfield near Costanta (at Mamaia): http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2290 Otopeni, Pipera, Popesti Leordeni are all airfields around Bucharest. Here is a quick map with a few locations: Ploiesti, Mizil, Bucuresti (Otopeni, Baneasa, Clinceni, Popesti-Leordeni) http://www.pensiunituristice.com/harta_tur...a.php?pt=romana This post has been edited by D13-th_Mytzu on September 03, 2005 11:57 am |
electric |
Posted: September 03, 2005 12:16 pm
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 64 Member No.: 380 Joined: November 02, 2004 |
Hi!
you will find below a low res scan of the moldavian region map with main cities/towns. for the full scan, check this link (2.5M image size) http://www.d13-th.com/user/electric/basarabia-1935.jpg IMAGES are scanned from a romanian geographical/historical/economical "Atlas" from 1938 Note: Akerman is Cetatea Alba, not Odessa. Leipzig is near Romanesti and is in Bassarabia as well WILKOW is Valcov Manzar is in Bassarabia This post has been edited by electric on September 03, 2005 12:32 pm |
Victor |
Posted: September 03, 2005 12:23 pm
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Admin Group: Admin Posts: 4350 Member No.: 3 Joined: February 11, 2003 |
First, a small correction for the first list.
Akkerman is the Turkish name of Cetatea Alba/Belgorod. The port is situated in Southeastern Bessarabia and presently belongs to the Ukraine. It is West of the Dnister River, not East of it (where Odessa is). The city has a very old history going back to the Middle Ages, when it was a very important port for the commercial route coming from the Baltic. It used to be a Genoese city, then Tatar, then Moldavian, then Turkish, then Russian, then Romanian, then Soviet and then Ukrainian. Now, for the second list. Beltsi=Balti, in the northern part of present day Republic of Moldavia. See here: http://www.hartionline.ro/tari/html/moldova1.html Boteni it's south of Campulung, in Wallachia (Southern Romania), some 150 km north-west pf Bucharest. See here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/g6.html Calimanesti is a spa resort north of Rm. Valcea, on the Olt Valley, where teh river cuts through the Carpathians, between Transylvania and Wallachia. I never heard of an airfield there and I don't think it was possible to buil one in such a narrow place. See here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/f6.html Ciocarlia is north of Urziceni, in southern Romania, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/j7.html Culm - never heard of it. Focsani is a relatively large city in southern Moldavia, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/j5.html Ivesti is Southeast of Tecuci, on the road to Galati, also in Southern Moldavia, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/k5.html Ianca is West of Braila, in Walachia, but realitevly close to the frontline, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/k6.html I don't know where Kolosvka is. Kirovograd and Krivoy Rog are in the Ukraine, beyond the Dnister. Leipzig was a German colony in Bessarabia, situated not much West of Komrat. I don't know if today is the Republic of Moldova or in the Ukraine. It is located in the area where there is a frontier between the two today. I don't know where Manzar is. Matca is North of Ivesti (East of Tecuci that is), see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/k5.html Mizil is located between Ploiesti and Buzau, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/i6.html Otopeni is the "home" of the biggest Romanian present-day airport and is located several km North of Bucharest. Pipera is also very close to Bucharest (practically soon will be "swallowed" by it) and is located also in the northern part. See here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/i7.html. Pipera isn't mentioned on the map. I have drawn this second one: Rosiorii de Vede is situated in Southern Romania, too far for operations against the Red Army, but it was used for operations against the 15th US Air Force. See here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/g8.html Tandarei is situated in Southeastern Romania, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/k7.html Tragusorul Vechi is located West of Ploiesti, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/h6.html Tepes Voda is just East of Ianca, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/k6.html Targu Trotus is located between Onesti and Targu Ocna, in Moldavia, close to the Eastern Carpathians, see here: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/i4.html. It used to be a town during Medieval times, but presently it is just a village. Zilistea is located between Buzau and Rm. Sarat. It doesn't show on this map: http://www.hartionline.ro/ro/harta/j6.html Hope this helps. |
Dénes |
Posted: September 03, 2005 04:07 pm
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Admin Group: Admin Posts: 4368 Member No.: 4 Joined: June 17, 2003 |
Here is the map that illustrates my first book on ARR, published by Squadron/Signal. You can find in it most of the airfields you're looking for.
Gen. Dénes This post has been edited by Dénes on September 03, 2005 04:24 pm |
D13-th_Mytzu |
Posted: September 03, 2005 04:31 pm
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General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004 |
How did I miss that ?
This post has been edited by D13-th_Mytzu on September 03, 2005 04:32 pm |
yogy |
Posted: September 03, 2005 06:57 pm
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 72 Member No.: 567 Joined: April 14, 2005 |
Hey, Denes, thanks a lot! That clarifiies a lot!
There are even some places I have been in 1997... Oradea, Cluj-Napoca, Tirgo-Mures with the clolour-film-factory, and Sibiu... Bessarabia we didn't visit, too far from Germany... Do you know which AF's were used by the VVS in 1944 for the "romanian" operations Targos Frumol & Yassy-Kishinev? Are the ones on your map above "all"? This post has been edited by yogy on September 03, 2005 07:35 pm |
Dénes |
Posted: September 03, 2005 07:22 pm
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Admin Group: Admin Posts: 4368 Member No.: 4 Joined: June 17, 2003 |
I am glad I could help.
BTW, the Azomures film factory from Tg-Mures is gone since. Incidentally, I was born in that town. Gen. Dénes |
yogy |
Posted: September 14, 2005 08:11 pm
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 72 Member No.: 567 Joined: April 14, 2005 |
Hi & thanks all,
I found all AF's mentioned in my list, mainly with the help of Dénés' map and the site http://www.fallingrain.com/world/index.html . But still, I need to find - Toryshino. 146IAP was based there in 1941 before Barbarossa - Kirovograd. 132BAP, 232BAP, 60RAP " in 1941 " " and - Culm. II/SG10 was based there in 1944. Other sources say "Okecie" and "Bacan". There is a place called "Bacanu" not far from Roman... Who can help? |
Carol I |
Posted: September 14, 2005 08:18 pm
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General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2250 Member No.: 136 Joined: November 06, 2003 |
Kirovograd/Kirovohrad (48:30:30N 32:15:53E) is situated in Ukraine, NW of Krivoy Rog. I found its location by using multimap.com. |
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Carol I |
Posted: September 14, 2005 08:53 pm
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General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2250 Member No.: 136 Joined: November 06, 2003 |
I have found a reference stating that Culm or Kulm is the German name for Chełmno (Chełmno nad Wisłą) in Poland. |
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yogy |
Posted: September 15, 2005 11:49 am
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 72 Member No.: 567 Joined: April 14, 2005 |
Thank you Carol! That Multimap is a good hint!
Now I only need to find this "Toryshino"... There are ca. 10 AF's named after villages very near to each other in the area of Tandarei... Do you guys think this is true or are these just different names for one/some AF's? |
Carol I |
Posted: October 26, 2005 08:16 am
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yogy |
Posted: November 18, 2005 10:35 pm
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 72 Member No.: 567 Joined: April 14, 2005 |
Cool pic... thanks!
Our work progresses slowly |
yogy |
Posted: January 16, 2006 08:05 pm
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 72 Member No.: 567 Joined: April 14, 2005 |
Does anyone have aerial pics of airfields located on Dénes' map or similar from the 30ies/40ies?
If you want them to be kept secret, you can send me a mail to pirx AT 88-iap.de I'll keep them for myself. Thanks... |
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