“All terrain” commandment and liaison vehicles in, What types, models and how many of them?

Here is another, identical type vehicle, bearing the same symbol. Could it be the very same car? Notice the differences in painting, as well as other minor details (as the rear view mirror). None of these denote a clearly different car, however.

The best clue would be if the registration plate of Gen. Avramescu's personal car would be known. This particular car appears to be registered as U014496.

Personally, I believe the three-leaf clover symbol denotes a particular unit and is not a personal emblem.

Gen. Dénes

Here is another photo of a Rumanian Army command car, which bears some sort of emblem on the right fender and side door. Unfortunately, the print is somewhat blurry, thus I cannot make out the details of that particular emblem.
Interestingly, this car doesn't appear to carry any registration plate on the front bumper.

Gen. Dénes



This post has been edited by Dénes on October 13, 2005 11:49 pm

I agree with Denes. The three- leaf clover could be a unit emblem (like four-leaf clover emblem used on 9FG planes in '42 )


This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on October 14, 2005 03:24 am

I found a similar kind of emblem but this time a "four- leaf clover " on Opel Blitz trucks from one SSA unit. Courtesy D.M coll.



This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on October 14, 2005 03:56 am

Interestingly, a similar unit emblem was also used by ARR in the late 1930s.

Gen. Dénes

I think the second car is a Ford Taunus, one of the most frequent Romanian army command vehicles. Is very interesting that it bears the German army corps commander markings, painted on the front right side: black-white-red triangles. Was this symbol also used by the Romanian high command vehicles?

It seems that the Ford was Avramescu’s personal vehicle, as a commander of the Mountain Corps, and the Horch could be an escort car, for his staff officers.

I agree that the ace of clubs should be an unit symbol (of the Mountain Corps ?).

I think the second car is Ford Tudor 1939, not Ford Taunus.

You are correct. Either a 1939 Standard or a 1938 DeLuxe.
The Taunus was sort of a shrunken version looking sort of the same but with a 4 cyl engine.
Bill

Automobilia has posted a photo with a third different unit symbol. It thus appears that the use of such symbols in the Romanian Army was not that uncommon.

Sorry Denes - I didn't see your message asking for the license plate of Avramescu's Horch. It was U081083, but this is from a document dated in March 1945. It's possible the licence plate may have changed by then.

I'll take a look at all my pictures to see if the Horch license plate is visible on any of them.

I'm also attaching a document written by Dascalescu or his staff in which he describes each car that disappeared along with Avramescu and along with Avramescu's wife's "convoy" - she had been instructed by her husband to meet him in Bucharest and also to prepare his parade uniform for a political appointment. The document also describes who was in each car and who the driver was.



Denes - can you give me some context about the Horch photo you displayed? Where was it taken, when, etc?

Thanks.

This post has been edited by mabadesc on March 19, 2006 05:49 pm

Sorry, Mabadesc, I have no further info on that particular vehicle.
I came across that photo only by chance.

Gen. Dénes

P.S. Very interesting document, indeed.

This post has been edited by Dénes on March 19, 2006 06:01 pm