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Hello Victor, i am trying to further identify pilot Sublocotenent Paul Mogaldea, his unit, and clarify the date of his victory on 25 October 1917 over Marasti. i believe the date stated is by old style calendar. I have a pilot Plutonier Paul Magalea with ESC.N.11 who scored a victory on that same date. i would like to clarify spelling of his name. thank you for kind help. agblume

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Posted: October 04, 2005 05:08 pm
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Like mentioned in the post in this topic, slt. Paul Mogâldea was awarded the Mihai Viteazul Order 3rd class for his deeds. This is the highest war award for Romanian officers. It can't be awarded to NCOs (like a plutonier). The Royal Decree that gave the MV Order to Mogâldea was signed on 9 April 1918. I belive that is before the new calendar was adopted, so it would be 25 October, old style. The decree does not mention the unit. I am sorry, but that's the best I can do.
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Posted: October 04, 2005 05:45 pm
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Hi,

I understand "agblume" need info for plutonier Paul Magalea pilot from " Escadrila N11" who indeed had a victory ( Fokker fighter) on 26 october ( 7 november new calendar) 1917 near Marasesti flying with Nieuport 11 nr 909.

Source: Valeriu Avram- "Crucile Negre", Editura Pro Istoria -2001.
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plutonier Paul Magalea pilot from " Escadrila N11"

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Posted: October 04, 2005 05:50 pm
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Source: Valeriu Avram- "Crucile Negre", Editura Pro Istoria -2001

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Posted: October 04, 2005 08:22 pm
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Nice cover. I am wondering who is the artist? blink.gif biggrin.gif

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Posted: October 04, 2005 08:40 pm
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Nice cover. I am wondering who is the artist? 


It's not mentioned inside . But the book deserved better cover artwork ( something like James Dietz artworks ).
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QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Oct 5 2005, 02:40 AM)
It's not mentioned inside.

Of course not. ph34r.gif
It looks much better in colour... : smile.gif

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i would like to thank Victor and Cantacuzino for their kind feedback and photo of ESC.N.11 Plutonier Magalea, with confirmation of his victory on 7 November 1917 (n.s.). i am still confused whether Sublocotenent Paul Mogâldea is a different person. i am unable to find any record that he scored a victory on the same day as Magalea. about ten years ago i was in close contact with Prof. Avram and he provided me with much information, including names of all airmen of this early period. the name of Mogâldea does not appear in any unit rosters, nor was there any mention of him having scored a victory. any additional confirmation as to the identity of Mogâldea and his unit would be most welcome. can anyone help me obtain a copy of the book by Prof. Avram? thank you. agblume
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Posted: Mar 8 2005, 08:18 AM  By Victor 

Romanian airmen that were awarded the Mihai Viteazul Order 3rd class during WW1:
1. lt. Ioan Penes (pilot), awarded by Royal Decree No. 385/29 April 1917, had taken part in 12 air combats by that date and in several bombing missions. On 24 March 1917 he was wounded, but he carried on his long range recon mission.
2. lt. Petre Ioanin (pilot), awarded by Royal Decree No. 570/12 June 1917, on 9 May 1917, while on a recon mission, he was attacked by an enemy Brandenburg airplane with two MGs, which he shot down in the Romanian lines at Cotofenesti.
3. slt. Dumitru Darian (observer), awarded by Royal Decree No. 570/12 June 1917, he was attacked by an enemy Brandenburg airplane with two MGs, which he shot down in the Romanian lines at Cotofenesti.
4. slt. Ermil Gheorghiu, awarded by Royal Decree No. 570/12 June 1917, on 30 April 1917, during a photo recon mission, he was gravely wounded after splinters hit him in the liver, but he carried on his mission. (he is the gen. Ermil Gheorghiu that commanded the 1st Air Corps during WW2 and was awarded the RK)
5. lt. av. Vasile Craiu (pilot), awarded by Royal Decree No. 626/23 June 1917, on 15 June 1917 he protected a Romanian airplane that was directing the artillery fire from the attack of three enemy aircraft. He was wounded, but managed to bring his aircraft back to the Romanian lines.
6. slt. Egon Nasta (pilot), awarded by Royal Decree No. 16/2 January 1918, had taken part in 30 air combats and in many recon missions. On 17 November 1917 he shot down an enemy aircraft at Racoasa.
7. slt. av. Gheorghe Stalpeanu (pilot), awarded by Royal Decree No. 677/23 March 1918, had distinguished himself on 13 August 1917 when, during a recon mission, was attacked by 3 enemy aircraft and he shot down one of them and the other two retreated quickly.
8. cpt. obs. Grigore Gafencu (obsever), awarded by Royal Decree No. 830/9 April 1918, executed several recon missions at Namoloasa and Marasesti, where between 3 and 6 August 1917 he distinguished himself. He engaged an enemy aircraft and shot it down. (he occupied important offices in the Foreign Affairs Ministry during the inter-war era)
9. slt. Marcel Dragusanu (pilot), awarded by Royal Decree No. 830/9 April 1918, on 13 September 1917 he shot down an enemy aircraft and on 5 October he attacked another enemy airplane and forced it to retreat back to its lines.
10. slt. Paul Mogaldea (pilot), awarded by Royal Decree No. 830/9 April 1918, distinguished himself on 25 october 1917, when over Marasti he engaged three enemy aircraft and shot down one of them. 



Victor double check your sources. I think it's a mistake with the name. I never heard about pilot name Mogaldea in WWI ( only Mogaldea observer in WWII).

Concerning the fight on 7 november (new style) 1917 it's about Sgt. Paul Magalea (not Mogaldea) who shot down one Fokker .
For cheking the pilots names in WWI see below the "Brevet" pilot licence number and date. Source: Valeriu Avram "Istoria Aeronauticii Militare Romane 1910-1916"
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For cheking the pilots names in WWI see below the "Brevet" pilot licence number and date. Source: Valeriu Avram "Istoria Aeronauticii Militare Romane 1910-1916"

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A little off topic: wasn't Mogaldea the name of one of the romanian pilot in ww2?

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Posted: October 07, 2005 12:00 pm
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A little off topic: wasn't Mogaldea the name of one of the romanian pilot in ww2?

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Victor double check your sources. I think it's a mistake with the name. I never heard about pilot name Mogaldea in WWI ( only Mogaldea observer in WWII).


Like i said it was in WWII one aviation officer ( observer and crew cdt. but not pilot) named Ioan Mogaldea (born in Dobrogea) and also had written one or two books of his war exploits.

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Like mentioned in the post in this topic, slt. Paul Mogâldea was awarded the Mihai Viteazul Order 3rd class for his deeds. This is the highest war award for Romanian officers. It can't be awarded to NCOs (like a plutonier).


Mayby Plutonier Paul Magâlea was raised to officer rank in 1918 and became Slt. Paul Magâlea, awarded with Mihai Viteazul for his deeds.
( Or he married with a General daughter named Mogâldea and took her name biggrin.gif and they give birth to a son named Ioan who later in WWII became an aviation observer tongue.gif )

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many thanks to everyone for their kind help. i agree with the post by Cantacuzino that Plutonier Paul Magâlea was raised to officer rank in early 1918 and then was able to receive the Ordinul Mihai Viteazul 3rd Class. can anyone help me purchase a copy of the book "Crucile Negre," by Valeriu Avram??? you can contact me at agblume@warchron.com.
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