Bf 109 G-2 "yellow 14" - Monika, Lt. Dragos Stinghe mount on west front

The story now appears to be complete.

Radu, we've done our best, it's your turn now. Take your kit out of its box and start working...

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on November 23, 2005 03:26 am

And Radu,

If you are a good boy and start doing this nice project, you will get a bonus ( a Christmass present ). A copy of Dragos Stinghe book and the color profile of his mount "yellow 14", both with his signature.

Happy modelling,

Dan.

I just have spoken with Stinghe.
He will look in his log book.
But there's a posib.that this particular plane was at his squad for dif. testings.
Since he also was a member os a test squad.
He'll tell us tonight what G was it and what wn.

Now, that is what I call pressure!
OK, it is a deal. This will be my next project.

I have one more question: Can you please confirm that there was no cockpit ventilation port on the cockpit side? (It should be somewhere in the area of the wolf's nose in that badge). That is important because it affects the layout of the cockpit. (This was a feature of 109 G2s - intended for dusty/sandy theatres of operation, such as desert or steppes etc.) I can see where the umbrella mounts were removed, but I cannot see the ventilation port.

Radu

This post has been edited by Radub on November 23, 2005 10:31 am

If this ventilation port was a feature of G-2, I suggest that you can do it as long as the other feature of G-2 ( umbrella mounts) was also present on this particular plane.

If this ventilation port was a feature of G-2, I suggest that you can do it as long as the other feature of G-2 ( umbrella mounts) was also present on this particular plane.



PS : You should ask others (Bf 109 specialist) for such details. I am not so good in making difference for small details between each subtypes of Bf-109.
Mayby our forum member "109" could help you.

HI Cantacuzino,
I never claimed to be an expert, but I have lots of books on the 109 .

I was only wondering whether you can confirm the absence of the ventilation port (This is a rectangular panel that can be opened from inside the cockpit by the pilot) since you have the original picture and you can have a closer look. I cannot see it in the pictures you posted, so chances are that it was not fitted to this model. The umbrella amounts were removed - one can see the holes left after their removal.

The differences between the 2 and the 4 versions of the G are very small. The cockpit air inlets on the fuselage sides is one. The other is the antena lead in: In the G2 it is above the radio hatch, in the G4 it is further aft near the fin (As in the profile). The position of the lead-in is not clear in the pictures available. The wheels are not a good indicator because many G4s were also fitted with spoked wheels.

I have a few suggestions for your colour profile if you do not mind. The panel above the gun breeches is one solid dark colour (Possibly green) and the tail is almost entirely painted white ( where the swastika was overpainted) - that is visible in the photo of the aviator with the plane in the background and also in the group photo that shows the upper sides of the wings (the tail is near the person wearing a German flight jacket). Also, the original number of the plane was "10", the "0" was overpainted with a dark colour (possibly green) and the "4" was applied on top. I also believe that the underside of the nose was initially yellow then operpainted with light blue which caused the "streaky" look.

Regards,
Radu

What is the picture do you want a close look. (This one below).

This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on November 23, 2005 01:51 pm

- Panel above the gun breeches - I will repaint green.

- The tail - I will repaint with dirty white.

- I will add green (under number"4") where was covered number "0" on fuselage.

- The underside of nose i will leave it like that.
Normally if " yellow 14" had yellow undernose it should be repaint with white (the ID regulation on west front). But probably "yellow 14" undernose was the same color of the undersurface( blue grey) from the begin and no need to repaint. (There were many romanian and german Bf-109 with no yellow noseunder in '44 )

I don't see the holes for the pair of horizontal drop-shaped umbrella mounts underneath the cockpit. If originally there was such fixture on the airplane, it must have been a 'trop' version - no reference to this in the Lw loss sheet. In this case, there should have also been two sets of four rectangularily spaced holes just in front of the air intake for the air filter. I cannot see those ones either. Therefore I believe this Messerschmitt was not a 'trop' version, but a regular G-2.

Based on the photo, it appears to me that the entire original Lw fuselage number was overpainted with a darker colour (possibly grey), not only the '4', and the 'Yellow 14' then applied over it.

Good luck with your project, Radu! Keep us posted

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on November 23, 2005 02:30 pm

Hi Cantacuzino,
I superimposed a drawing over the picture and it is obvious that there was no ventilation port. This will determine the layout of the cockpit.

Hi Denes,
I had no reason to believe that this was a Trop version. I am sure now that it was a G2. I mentioned the umbrella supports because that would be significant in the case of a G4 - the G4s without ventilation inlets were designed for dusty theatres of operation and were fitted with umbrella mounts and filters. Thanks for the clarification.



Radu

This post has been edited by Radub on November 23, 2005 02:35 pm

Just talked with Stinghe.
He does not remember much about the palne.
It appears that sometimes ,in order to be more "competitive" against the USAF ,they would gathered over Mizil the 2 fighter groups and the German Jg/77.
If someone had problems with his plane,he could land at Mizil and get a German plane avalible.
This plane can be one of those,who wasn't returned to the Germans from one reason or another.
If it's a G-2/4/6/8/10/200,DS never knew precisly what plane he was flying.
And I heard something similar from an interv. with A.Galland.

How about his logbook? Is there any flight aboard 'Yellow 14' recorded (after August 23, 1944)?

Gen. Dénes

I did asked him.
The answer was: "Do you think that someone would bother to write so many details those days?......".

I began my work on a 1/32 model. Expect photos and a "work in progress report" soon.
Radu