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sid guttridge |
Posted: December 31, 2005 12:27 pm
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Locotenent colonel Group: Members Posts: 862 Member No.: 591 Joined: May 19, 2005 |
Hi D13th Mytzu,
There is definitely something in what you write. For 45 years Western writers operated in something of a documentary vacuum as far as Romanian primary sources for 1941-44 were concerned. Thus German memoirs, both positive and negative, were their primary source and went largely unchallenged by a Romanian perspective. Cheers, Sid. |
dragos03 |
Posted: December 31, 2005 02:57 pm
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Capitan Group: Members Posts: 641 Member No.: 163 Joined: December 13, 2003 |
The problem is that some of the books about WW2 written before 1989 are now considered classic, ultimate reference sources about the war. I've had a hard time convincing people on other forums that these books are innacurate and biased about the performance of the Romanian army.
Unfortunately the excellent book written by Mark Axworthy didn't make other Western authors revise their perspective on the Romanian army. "Third Axis, Fourth Ally" should definetly be reprinted. TV documentaries about Eastern front have the same flaws as some of the books. Whenever they present a German-Romanian victory (the Crimean campaign for example), the Romanian contribution is completely ignored. But when they talk about a German-Romanian defeat then only Romanians are to blame. |
D13-th_Mytzu |
Posted: December 31, 2005 03:12 pm
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General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004 |
Unfortunatelly so true I always watch TV documentaries about WW2 (and not only) on Discovery Channels. From all I ahev seen, only 1 time a british historian (and teacher at a prestigious university) mentioned the injustice made by history when blaming romanians for the Stalingrad defeat, he was the only one to state the conditions under which romanian troops had to fight and also that they behaved very well under the circumstancies. However I only saw that documentary once.. dunno why they did not show it anymore, it is a shame. |
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Imperialist |
Posted: December 31, 2005 06:46 pm
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General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2399 Member No.: 499 Joined: February 09, 2005 |
There are too many WW2 documentaries on Discovery anyway. No day passes without Hitler's ghost being paraded on Discovery. Its programs are weaker and weaker. take care p.s. Happy New Year to everyone! -------------------- I
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mabadesc |
Posted: January 02, 2006 05:10 am
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Locotenent colonel Group: Members Posts: 803 Member No.: 40 Joined: July 11, 2003 |
Mytzu, What is the name of the British historian you mentioned? Thanks. |
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D13-th_Mytzu |
Posted: January 02, 2006 10:02 am
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General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004 |
Unfortunatelly I can only remember his face and the fact that he is also teaching at a prestigeous british university. Will try to get his name next time I see him ni a Discovery ww2 documentary.
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sid guttridge |
Posted: January 03, 2006 06:11 pm
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Locotenent colonel Group: Members Posts: 862 Member No.: 591 Joined: May 19, 2005 |
Hi D-13th Mytzu,
It may be Professor John Ericson of the University of Edinburgh. He is often used as an expert "talking head" in better documentaries about the Eastern Front. Cheers, Sid. |
D13-th_Mytzu |
Posted: January 03, 2006 07:31 pm
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General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004 |
Sid I again ask you to please call me Mytzu D13-th is just a squadron tag.
I don't know if it is him - I searched the web but I could not find a photo of the one you mentioned. Next time I see him I will write down his name. If this helps in any way - he seems to be a tall fellow (about 1.8) with grey hair, long face, quite slim. |
Dani |
Posted: January 03, 2006 11:16 pm
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Sergent Group: Members Posts: 198 Member No.: 323 Joined: August 13, 2004 |
From a 1998 documentary:
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D13-th_Mytzu |
Posted: January 04, 2006 08:25 am
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General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004 |
Yup, that's him alright - thanks Dani !
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Dani |
Posted: January 04, 2006 09:55 am
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Sergent Group: Members Posts: 198 Member No.: 323 Joined: August 13, 2004 |
You're welcome Mytzu!
Like Sid said I was convinced that his name is spelled Ericson instead of Erickson. Luckily I have some documentaries. |
mabadesc |
Posted: January 04, 2006 06:15 pm
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Locotenent colonel Group: Members Posts: 803 Member No.: 40 Joined: July 11, 2003 |
That's what I suspected.
It only reinforces the high opinion and admiration I have for him as an excellent WWII historian. Thanks Mytzu, Sid, and Dani. |
dragos03 |
Posted: January 07, 2006 10:02 pm
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Capitan Group: Members Posts: 641 Member No.: 163 Joined: December 13, 2003 |
The reason why Beevor's account of the Romanian actions is more balanced seems to be that he used Axworthy's book as a source. But there are still some myths and dubious facts about the Romanian Army in "Stalingrad".
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cnflyboy2000 |
Posted: January 08, 2006 07:28 am
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Plutonier adjutant Group: Members Posts: 371 Member No.: 221 Joined: February 18, 2004 |
He's head and shouilders above the pack of usual dry-as-dust military historians. His Berlin |
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cnflyboy2000 |
Posted: January 08, 2006 07:37 am
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Plutonier adjutant Group: Members Posts: 371 Member No.: 221 Joined: February 18, 2004 |
sorry..(hit wrong key) His Berlin book is equally well written,imo http://www.antonybeevor.com/Berlin/berlinmenu.htm Of course,he's not in the same league as John Keegan, imo, but he's a contender. btw, what DO u Brits eat, anyway that sprouts this highly readable erudition amongst your pen pushers? lol. cheers. |
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