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Posted: March 10, 2006 09:31 am
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Israel will offer Romania help in fighting terrorism, Romania's defense minister said yesterday after talks with his Israeli counterpart.
The offer was made during a one-day visit by Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz. The two ministers also discussed Romania buying F-16 fighter jets from Israel, a decision that would be made by the end of the year, Defense Minister Teodor Atanasiu said.

Atanasiu and Mofaz signed a five-year cooperation agreement between the countries' two armies. No further details of the agreement were available.

http://www.daily-news.ro/article_detail.php?idarticle=23761


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Posted: March 10, 2006 06:55 pm
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Nothing agains you (this time ) imperialist...
But those news are strange.
Taking lessons from Israel ,is like me ,or any other of you guys ,taking lessons from Michael Schumacher.
I mean,what do we need those lessons for?
As far as I know,once in early 70's a group of arabs planned to asasinate Golda Meyr on the way to the tample,and some Jordanian diplomat was killed by another arab .
Not much terror isn't it?
So why spending so much funds?
Why buying second hand F 16"s .
What for?
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Posted: March 11, 2006 07:35 am
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What for, C2? To hunt those damn terrorists! F-16 is the proper weapon against terrorists, and when are second hand they (the F-16) are better... laugh.gif

Maybe Israel knows something we dont know yet. Maybe the terrorists from the end of '89 "event" are planning to come back... tongue.gif So, stay close to your radio/tv people!

Or, maybe someone have some percents from this contract, as usually...

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Posted: March 11, 2006 09:47 pm
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Posted: March 11, 2006 10:12 pm
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QUOTE (C-2 @ Mar 10 2006, 08:55 PM)

I mean,what do we need those lessons for?
As far as I know,once in early 70's a group of arabs planned to asasinate Golda Meyr on the way to the tample,and some Jordanian diplomat was killed by another arab .
Not much terror isn't it?

and what would you say if, god forbid, an attack will happen on romanian soil? As far as I know we're not a primary target but we still are one, after all we are in Iraq, we are in Afghanistan and we're helping US.
I think it's better to be safe than sorry, don't you think?


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Posted: March 12, 2006 01:43 am
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QUOTE (C-2 @ Mar 10 2006, 06:55 PM)
So why spending so much funds?
Why buying second hand F 16"s .
What for?

Its a matter of alliances. We dont have good relations with Russia, and Israel doesnt like Russia's moves in the Middle East either. We are close allies with the US, while France and Germany are getting closer and closer with Russia. Russia has better relations with Hungary than with us. Unless another government comes and turns our foreign policy 180 degrees, we are bound to stick with US-Israel.


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Posted: March 12, 2006 08:55 am
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Well Israel has a population twicw the size of Bucharest,2/3 of the teritory is desert...
They do very well in securing their embasies and airlines,but do not do well on preventing terorist atacks.An almost imposib.task.
Every time they are attacked by terorists the retaliet by bombing targets is the West Bank,Gaza and Lebanon.
If ther's a need they'll go as far as Osirak or Beirut.
If a terorist atack takes place here in Rom,where will we bomb?
If Israel bombed targets in Tunis ,in the 80's,with the help of their logistics,it's imposible for us to go.
I see no reason for such a colaboration.
Waste of money,for nothing.
Combating terorism neads a very sofisticated secret service.A think that is not seen even at the horizon.
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Posted: March 12, 2006 11:23 am
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C-2 you are a medic, right? Is it not true that it's cheaper to prevent than to cure?

Is it not good to learn from the people with the most experience? Israel have the most experience regarding terrorist attacks. And for sure they will not teach about retaliating but about preventing and stoping terrorist attacks.



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Posted: March 12, 2006 01:12 pm
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Yes tehy do have alot of experience.
But also have the Spanish(ETA) and what did they did to prevent the train blasts?
NOTHING.
You cannot prevent terorists,you can retaliet,and Romania has no ways for doing that.
And yes I"m a medic,and I surely think prevention is the best way,but I also spent quite a time in Israel ,and I know what I'm talking about.
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Posted: March 13, 2006 11:46 am
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Olmert said that Israel is part of an international alliance against Iran.

"I spoke about the West's military option, which includes the armies of the United States, NATO, and even the IDF in this context," Ya'alon said.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/692360.html

So I guess that makes us part of it too. ph34r.gif


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Posted: March 13, 2006 06:01 pm
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QUOTE (C-2 @ Mar 12 2006, 01:12 PM)
Yes tehy do have alot of experience.
But also have the Spanish(ETA) and what did they did to prevent the train blasts?
NOTHING.
You cannot prevent terorists,you can retaliet,and Romania has no ways for doing that.
And yes I"m a medic,and I surely think prevention is the best way,but I also spent quite a time in Israel ,and I know what I'm talking about.

Hallo biggrin.gif

With regard the train bombings in Spain, the Arab terrorist figured that an anonamous strike on early rush-hour people going to work would be immediately blamed on ETA given them some vital hours to cover their tracks and make a getaway, only for the fact that two rucksack bombs failed to go off and the mobile phones being recovered help id the attackers, along with a audio tape left in a white van near one of the stations.

As with regards the Israelis, you might be buying second-hand planes but you will also be getting some first-rate intelligence help as well, and I dont mean the C I A unsure.gif

Israel is the first to admit it is virtualy impossible to stop a terrorist attack against the civillian population, to many places, to many possibilities where it can be staged, but attacks against I.D.F military targets seem always to end up with the terrorist getting dead. ph34r.gif

The whole idea of terrorism is to terrorise the civillian population military personel know what happens in such situations involving, guns, hand-grenades, rocket attacks etc as they are well trained for it.

I witnessed the Israeli forces in action when I was stationed in South Lebanon with UNIFIL,(United Nations Interim Force In Lebanon) they go in hard, and hit back hard.

As for arab civilian casualties 95% are caused by the terrorists hiding amongst their own people. Most Arabs probably dont support the terrorist, but are too afraid to speak out, knowing they will get killed by the terrorists.

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Posted: March 14, 2006 08:54 am
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QUOTE (New Connaught Ranger @ Mar 13 2006, 06:01 PM)
As for arab civilian casualties 95% are caused by the terrorists hiding amongst their own people. Most Arabs probably dont support the terrorist, but are too afraid to speak out, knowing they will get killed by the terrorists.

Kevin in Deva.

Do you have a reliable source for such an accurate percentage?


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Posted: March 14, 2006 02:11 pm
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Actualy I don't think thar Al Qaida,wanted to put the balame on ETA .
People talked about this posibility on the first hour after the blasts,but there were imediate denails by ETA.
Such a terorist act couldn't do any good to the Bascs cause.
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Posted: March 18, 2006 10:04 am
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The U.S. Middle East policy is not in America's national interest and is motivated primarily by the country's pro-Israel lobby, according to a study published yesterday by researchers from Harvard University and the University of Chicago.

"No lobby has managed to divert U.S. foreign policy as far from what the American national interest would otherwise suggest, while simultaneously convincing Americans that U.S. and Israeli interests are essentially identical," write the authors of the study.

John J. Mearsheimer from the University of Chicago's political science department and Stephen M. Walt from Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government do not present new facts


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Posted: March 20, 2006 11:34 am
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And here is the report:http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpap...06_011_walt.pdf
This is a must read.
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