Military Agreement with Israel

The other part of discussion (2nd hand Falcons) do not have to many supporters.At least the MoD is one of the opponents.There was an article on Adevarul or Gandul. I can't remember but he (MoD) said that RoAF will buy NEW multirole aircrafts. At first 24 and then another 2 squadrons (48 I guess). Of course, I am saying what the reporter said (in fact was an interview) , don't know how reliable the information is.

Link.

Thank you for the link AlexC! Very important paper, written by famous political scientists.

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I agree, that was a very well-written and interesting article, saying something that needs to be said. I've always liked Mearsheimer's work (and Walt's too).

http://www.nysun.com/article/29554

And look how others started to spin their paper:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5342

And this is just one example of how some react when the "golden calf" of all debate is disturbed, even by the most polite and academically wary voices.

The smear campaign has started it seems.The authors of this report have shown real courage for publishing it.

There was an armed attack against an ambassador/embassy in the early 90s in Romania. Some of the attackers were shot by the romanian guards or special forces. I dont remember much. Does someone know more about that quite unique incident? When, who, how.

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SRI (Brigada antiterorista, BTW this unit was established in 1974 former USLA).. target was Indian ambasador.

I found this with the help of your info:

http://parliamentofindia.nic.in/ls/lsdeb/l.../0212099101.htm

http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/terror_91/europe.html

http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0...,974111,00.html

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The Israeli embassy was NEVER attacked in Romanaia.
In early 70's there was a plot of killing Israeli PM Golda Meyr who was in visit in Romania.
The hit mans were Palestinians trained in Romania.
The securitate found out,arested the guys and then sent them back to some arab state.

Do you have a reliable source for such an accurate percentage?

With regards the source, it comes from my own knowledge of the retaliation strikes made by the Israelis in Lebanon and from the International news services.

I served in Lebanon with the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) and the Israelis were not respectful of our peacekeeping status, when attempting to strike back at the terrorists, also known militia groups camped very close to UN positions, seeking shelter from return fire from Israeli long range artillery and airstrikes, especialy the PLO around Tyre on the coast.

Terrorists unlike most modern military, hide among the civillian population, so therefore any retalatory attack will have a high civillian casualty rate, the Israelis target the terrorist or militant first, civillian casualties are secondary, whereas the terrorist or militant targets anything Israeli, civil or military. The Israelis are portraied as murder's of poor arab civillians but very little is said about the Israeli civillians who get killed by rocket, mortar and suicide attack launched indiscriminately. Any opions here expressed, are purely my own and I do not seek to condone any civilian deaths by either side.

Kevin in Deva.

I respect that, but any opinion needs to be backed by something else, especially if numbers are given for events that cannot be encompassed by someone's limited experience. I could return that opinion and say 95% of civilians killed are wantonly killed by the Israelis, and I couldnt get out of that conundrum by invoking limited on site personal anecdotes.

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p.s. http://hrw.org/reports/2005/iopt0605/

It would be more interesting to see "Human Rights Watch" looking into the human rights of the people of British, Irish, Spanish, American, Australian, Israeli citizens both military and civil etc who have been attacked by so called "Freedom Fighters and Islamic Militants etc".

Personally I consider "Human Rights Watch" nothing, compared to the United Nations, where are HRW putting people on the ground to interceed with disputes, what conflicts have they helped to settle?? Where have HRW provided humanatarian relief help?? (their history is from 1978 to the present day) Where have HRW people laid their lives on the line to help stop Political, Secterian, Racial and religious persecution?? to my knowledge none have paid the ultimate price with their lives to help save others. The organisation is just a Publicity seeking Club of do-gooders, no funds except voluntary donations from the public.

But no matter what is reported there will always be a biased slant depending on your view being for the official security forces of a Democraticaly elected Government of the people, or a supporter of terrorism.

At the end of the day the people of both sides have to sit down and discuss there differences, while in Lebanon, it was clear from contact with local moslem people, that they did not like what was being done in their name especialy by the "Imported from Iran, and sponsored by the Syrian government" Hizbollah", when they infiltrated their way into the local South Lebanese communities, they soon spread the word that it was not ok to accept medical aid from the U N contingent in South Lebanon, and that they would be provide medical & social help for the people, anybody who did not toe the "Islamic party line" got a warning, and if they continued to fratanise with the UN they simpaly disapeared

The whole point of Terrorism is to rule the people by fear

God Bless the members of the "Blue Helmets" who have died in the Service of Peace.

Kevin in Deva.

I only asked you what was the source of that 95%, I wasnt for or against anything. If you would've provided a reliable source I would've accepted that info. Instead, I am free to contest its reliability.
The link to that HRW only shows that even if the government is democratically elected the inner workings in (any) military are not democratical and abuses do take place. Abuses that are hard to be brought to light or severely punished by the same "fraternity" whose members committed them.

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edit -- and I really dont understand why you compare HRW, an NGO, with the huge international organisation that the UN is.

This post has been edited by Imperialist on March 27, 2006 06:24 pm

Hallo Imperialist,

Well at the end of the day, I am happy to have been involved in the United Nations Peace-Keeping efforts, we (all nationalities who contributed) freely volunteered to serve with the UN, I remember my friends who died in Lebanon both on my tour and afterwards in the 15 years the Irish were involved there, including the Irish soldiers who were taken prisoner and murdered, (the ringleader of the killers now lives in Detroit, USA selling Ice-cream to kids and has never been called to account for his actions) America, home of the brave, land of the free

And now we have to sit and listen to HRW tell us whats wrong with the world, if a hugh International Organisation like the U N cant wave a magic wand to fix the worlds problems what chance have the whistle-blowing publicity seeking members of the HRW got

As far as I am concerned my contribution to world peace might have been small, and just might have brought a little normality into the lives of the villiages, both Mosleam and Christian in the UNIFIL area and I sleep well at night.

This is as far as my contribution to this topic goes as it will just entail digging a deep hole with no end in sight. As I said earlier, at some stage (hopefuly in the near future) people involved in any conflict will have to sit down and have a discussion, and not be dictated to because of their race, religion or politics.

Kev in Deva.

I sent you a pm...