War in the middle east, why oh why?

In the pro-Jewish website which is the source of all that text, some events are "forgotten"... Some occuring before 1948, for example, when Israel was not a state, but the idea and the fight for it was "on".
As we already wrote so much about this subject, and people will not change their mind just because of some emails, the best idea is to search and read what both sides want to say. Then we can draw a middle line ourselves.

This post has been edited by Florin on August 29, 2006 12:38 pm

Guys,
I'm back from vacantion.
I'll fix my pc.
And then we'll talk!

Off topic rants deleted. Please stick to the original topic.

Israeli jets fire over German navy ship

Two Israeli warplanes have fired over a German naval vessel patrolling off the Lebanese coast, the Defence Ministry in Berlin said on Wednesday.

The daily Der Tagesspiegel quoted a German junior defence minister as telling a parliamentary committee that two Israeli F-16 fighters had flown low over the ship, firing twice.

The jets also activated infra-red countermeasures to ward off any rocket attack, the paper quoted him as saying, in an advance release from Thursday's edition

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenew...ENT.xml&src=rss

I wonder what would have happened if it were the other way around.
i bet every jew in the world would have started to scream holocaust , nazis, or other things.

since the jews did it, if you criticise it, you are an antisemite.
so end of discussion right there.

ps: the german soldiers that aparently mocked the dead bodies of taliban in afghanistan are all over the news, people are calling them - the new wermacht, the new SS.

still, no news about the israeli warplanes shoting at the german boats.

hmm, sounds like discrimination.

or, of course, in this case the germans were EVIL.

This post has been edited by Suparatu on October 26, 2006 08:26 am

No, not evil, just "soldiers being soldiers".

It's time for the "panty-wetters" to grow up and get over themselves. Stuff like the Israelis overflying Third Country National ships, or the German troops having a bit of macabre humor happens in time of war.

The professionally over-sensitive are the problem, NOT those who are doing what always has been done.

hmm...funny how suff "just happens" when the israelis are involved.
you people should get over this stupid bias. it serves nobody any good.

and i might add that the professionally oversensitive, as the ones you mentions, are people that start shouting HOLOCAUST each time the palestinians get a little break from the international community or if anyone dares to criticize israeli military actions.

This post has been edited by Suparatu on October 26, 2006 11:01 am

OK, for the sake of balance, the israelis denied firing on the german ships. However, the germans claimed they fired "over" the ships, not "on" them.

Clearly something happened. Last week the french warned that if the israelis do not stop their overflights in Lebanon, they will shoot on their airplanes. Now this event with the german ship.

i imagine if some german airplanes would have fired "over" a israeli boat we would have to cover our ears form the international outcry.

So, let's recap. Hezbollah starts a war with Israel, at least in part with the tacit approval of the UN. Israel retaliates, but is only marginally successful. Now, Israel is at fault for being just a little jumpy, and "overflying" and shooting "near" UN forces?

None of you sophisticates have yet to answer why ONLY the Israelis are being blamed for the dislocation of the Palestinians, when Palestinian land is also being claimed by Arab countries? The Palestinians are their own worst enemies. Anyone stupid enough to get a break deserves what they get.

Why am I sickened by how all this gets twisted around?

This post has been edited by 120mm on October 28, 2006 06:52 pm

Just met yesterday a guy from Lebanon.
I asked him about his trip there.
He the only places in Beiruth bombed were where the Hizb. had dif . facilities in.
His family (muslims) had only some fuel shortage.
Phones went well and also electricity.
Food was as usual (I'm talking about the war moments ).
When I told him that I was worried about friends in Beiruth,he smiled.
Like telling the"you are old enought not to gelive anything you see/hear...".

Aparently friday night there was a second incident involving the israeli airforce against the germans in the area.
according to a spokesman of the defende minister for the german BILD, a couple of F16 pursued and threatened a german helicopter.



i wonder if the third time it will be "USS Liberty "time...

It's interesting that the ship involved was a intelligence vessel just like the USS Liberty.

FGS Alster



OSTE-CLASS FLEET SERVICE SHIPS (Type 423)

The OSTE-class fleet service ships have been designed as highly efficient early warning, communications and reconnaissance platforms able to operate independently as well as within an operational and communications network with other German and international units and agencies. These units are equipped with state-of-the-art electromagnetic, hydro-acoustic and electro-optical detection devices and, in the past, have repeatedly been successfully employed in strategic intelligence gathering in crisis areas. The fleet service ships of the OSTE class were commissioned in 1988 and 1989. With their operating range of over 5,000 nm they are designed for extended reconnaissance missions. In addition to their permanent crew, communications personnel and other specialists for electronic reconnaissance may be embarked depending on the situation and mission.

Specifications
* Length: 83.5m
* Beam: 14.6m
* Draft: 4.2m
* Displacement: 3200t
* Propulsion: 2 diesel-engines, 3300kW each
* Speed: 21kts
* Range: more than 5000nm
* Armament: none
* Equippement: ELINT/COMINT sensors, electronic countermeasures
* Complement: 36 + up to 40 mission specialists

This post has been edited by AlexC on October 30, 2006 08:02 pm

figures...

French troops almost fired at Israel jets-minister

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L09370289.htm