War in the middle east, why oh why?

Just yesterday the Taliban captured 2 villages from the Canadians.

I'm going to post my long post from a different forum.....

I agree, Israel should defend itself, but this isn't defensive but offensive. Hezbolah started the initial kidnapings, but is that justification for bombing Lebanon? Did India bombed Kashmir for their terrorist attacks?
When somebody comes to your house and rob you, you have the right to defend yourself. But do you have the right to go after him, his family and kill them all, saying your defending yourself?

So what does all this resolve? I mean so far it didn't resolve anything. The soldiers are not free, peace is far away, Hezbolah rockets intensify, meaning they are weaken as everybody says.

And now it seems they want to sit at the table and negociate. I mean you don't negociate with f16's and then start the talking. It doesn't work that way.

Another post I made in a different forum about the issue if any cares to read:

I don't know about you guys, but something's not smelling right here.

First, the IDF declared that one of its ships was lightly hit by a rocket. Then, they said it was hit by a UAV with explosives. Then they said by a missile. Now, by an Iranian missile operated by Iranians. Whats next?
Fog of war, sure it is. So I don't know about you, but I tend to look at more sources before making an opinion.

They say that Iran and Syria backs hezbolah up, and some think thats legitimate reasons for Israel to attack these nations.
We know that hezblolah is considered a terrorist organization by the US and Israel. Reading about it, I heard they condamned the beheadings in Iraq and the 9/11 attacks. So what makes them different from other terrorists?

Now lets go back in time. During the Soviet invation of Afghanistan, the rebels were considered terrorists by the Soviet Union. Not by anyone else though. And we now know the US backed them up with weapons and funds.

So the question is: What exactly is the difference between the US backing of Alqaeda during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the Iran backing of Hezbolah?
And being the Cold War should not make the answer any different, as just like during that time, nations also have self interests.

So I support Israel, but not the government's actions of dealing with the issue. Also as an American taxpayer, I believe the US shouldn't support Israel with billion of $'s just so they can bomb people less fortunate than they are.

My 2 cents.

The idea is that the Leb goverment is responsable of any military action that takes place out of his borders.
For years they refused to disarm the Hizb.
I'm sorry for the distructions and losses in bouth sides.
I have many friends bouth in Lebanon and Israel and I know what hell they are into.
And btw,Israel doesn't alows jurnalists to cover the atacks on her soil,so there won't be possib. to "calibrate" the atacks.The fact that we don't see but Lebanease under fire,it doesn't mean that the Israelies are not suffering also.
I have 2 good friends in Beirut and one in Tyr.Also Two in Nahayia and two in Haifa.
I hope they fine,but I don't see them for days on the net.

Yeah, but so did Hezbollah declare they shot down an F16 and it turned out to be a blatant lie, actually it was a terrible blow they received not the other way.

The rag tag groups the US armed and trained in Afghanistan didnt have as a goal the destruction of the Soviet Union. Hezbollah openly states Israel should be thrown into the sea and they refer to Israel as being "occupied Palestine". So they dont even recognise that state's right to exist.
Add to this the fact that they built an arsenal of 10,000 missiles. Israel has the right to go after them, and even if they didnt have it, I'm sure they would have made it their right through might.

IMO the destruction inflicted by Israel on Lebanon is extremely selective and limited but painful. Israel didnt even swing a full fist, more like 1 thumb in the face of Lebanon.

take care

history is made by the media and disinformation, not by actual facts. this seems to be the policy these days. lie and then call the person that caught you lying a terrorist, antisemite, hippie or whatever.

about the russian case - well, look at the situation nowadays. the afghan were treated good by the US back then, but if the COld War was still on, you can be sure the CIA would be bringing Shamil Basayev cash with trucks, Bush would dedicate the launch of DIscovery to the "brave people" of Chechnya that are unparalleled in their QUEST for FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY and there would probably have been a Dudayev street in Paris somewhere...

but times have changed. now they are TERRORISTS!!!!

Israel will play the media angle and holocaust thing if anyone will try to put a stop on the conflict, the hezbollah will send gruesome threats from their hideout somewhere...blablabla...business as usual. in the meantime, nothing changed, same hatred, same conflicts, same deaths...


something DOES need to change in the middle east. i have not a clue as to what, but something must.

Well, with a delay of 3 days, some other people woke up:

Last Updated: Tuesday, 18 July 2006, 19:49 GMT 20:49 UK

Israel claims Iran link to crisis
Iran co-ordinated the capture of two Israeli soldiers to divert attention from its nuclear programme, Israel says.

from http://news.bbc.co.uk/

This post has been edited by Florin on July 18, 2006 08:13 pm

That wouldnt be too hard:

http://www.strategypage.com/hotstuff/artic...20058161446.asp

That wouldnt be too hard:

http://www.strategypage.com/hotstuff/artic...20058161446.asp

H rolls in his grave

Any idea what gun is this?

M109 Paladin I think

I was watching CNN Anderson Cooper 360, and they were reporting from Israel and following the rockets. Maybe Romanian media? Because following BBC and CNN, they show both sides of the story.
The Israelies are suffering, no doubt, but not at the same magnitude as Lebanon.
Hezbolah is a militia who came to power in the early 1980's as the result of Israeli ocupation of Lebanon.

Iran doesn't recognize Israel either. One Israeli general said they should turn Lebanon back in time 20 years. I remember the US people on the news saying they should wip Afghanistan off the map after 9/11.

That really doesn't mean anything as long as they are words. And I can assure you that Israel doesn't pick its targets very carefull. The fact that rockets are still falling on Israel proves that.
So far their attacks did not accomplish anything. Not to mention the rockets falling down came as a direct result of the bombing of Lebanon.

"One Israeli general said they should turn Lebanon back in time 20 years."

And this is what they are doing apparently.

This is war. Expecting no Hezbollah rocket launches is not realistic.
Hezbollah has its HQ in Lebanon. Technically any bombing on Hezbollah is the bombing of Lebanese territory.

Hi Guys,

As a matter of interest, what practical alternatives could Israel adopt?

Cheers,

Sid.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?ed...rticle_id=74078

I was watching CNN Anderson Cooper 360, and they were reporting from Israel and following the rockets. Maybe Romanian media? Because following BBC and CNN, they show both sides of the story.
The Israelies are suffering, no doubt, but not at the same magnitude as Lebanon.
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Some Al Jazeera reporters complained that while reporting from Haifa and its surroundings, they were detained for hours, and questioned by the Israeli police.
As of 2 days ago, they said this happened twice.

Israel should agree to return of its territory as it was in 1949, i.e. abandoning West Bank and Jerusalem, and removing the settlers to the mainland, but the other interested sides (Hamas, Hezbollah, Arab League and Iran) would have to sign a document in which very clearly to recongnize for ever the existence of Israel as it was in 1949, and to mention in writing, under signature, an end to any hostile military, diplomatic or economic activity against Israel. The document also has to mention the will of all parts to pursue and forbid any rogue movements settled on their territories, which would act contrary to the document. As long the other interested parts do not sign such a document, Israel does not need to leave its remaining occupied territories.

This post has been edited by Florin on July 19, 2006 12:46 pm