Crash site investigation near Bucharest, NEED HELP!

[cipiamon]

did i said something wrong?
why nobody post anything?

[Dénes]

It appears to me that the writing on the following image says Do 17: http://www.cipiamon.home.ro/Image0040.jpg
Can you transcribe to us what is exactly written on the dataplate?
Thanks.

Dénes

[cipiamon]

saturday i will go to the country man who holds the pice and take notes.

[Bernard Miclescu]

Great pictures!!!!! I wish you to find more "wreks". So "bon vent"!!!!

Yours BM

[Der Maresal]

"Cipi", you need a metal detector which will definately help you in your archeological work.
Don't ask me where to buy one, I know only in North America like were I live in Canada, they have "Radio Shack", a general electric-devices store, they sell them there..around $70, maybe cheaper.

2nd), i think Denes is right, the plate says Do 17, and if it's "Dorner Werke", then?... :shock: Why would a Me-110 be build by Dornier?...unless some components of the plane were made by Dornier,.or.... :!: ..we have discovered an entirely new aircraft!

:roll:

[Dr_V]

1) I know some people in Bolintin Vale. Do you need assistance in locating remaining pieces of the wreck of the "Ogrezeni bomber" or the fighter crashed in Bolintin? Word is some gipsies took pieces of the wreck and used them in various ways. They may still have some.

2) About the written marks on the piece you've photographed. A usefull way to recover the writing is to cast a ceramic image [[of, nu stiu atata engleza, sa iei un mulaj in gips de pe ea]]. Then take a picture of the cast after you fill the grooves with charcoal powder.

[C-2]

Good Idea DR!
I can take an impresion with dental impresion material! :mrgreen:

[cipiamon]

Yes i need al the suport i can get, i wold like to recover evrything i can from this crash sites or people who holds pices of the plane (i don't know if i mention it but i heard of a relative of mine has a wheel from the bomber).

I also filmed the pice of metal, i know exacty how it looks like, i watched many explicit pictures of the Me110 but i could not identify it on the plane... maby is from another plane??? :? maby this weekend i will go and investigate some more about the plate.

I also know about the Chera Gheorghe crushing his plane in the forest of the Gradinari (an IAR 80 or 81...) i did not inspect the location yet.
And i heard about an other plane crushed around Floresti near a river caled Arges. An american plane i think. This one i did not inspected either.

I will need a metal detector, but yet i did not heard of anybody heaving or selling such thing

[cuski]

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\"Cipi\", you need a metal detector which will definately help you in your archeological work.   Don't ask me where to buy one, I know only in North America like were I live in Canada, they have \"Radio Shack\", a general electric-devices store, they sell them there..around $70, maybe cheaper. 2nd), i think Denes is right, the plate says Do 17, and if it's \"Dorner Werke\", then?... :shock:  Why would a Me-110 be build by Dornier?...unless some components of the plane were made by Dornier,.or.... :!: ..we have discovered an entirely new aircraft!   :roll:

Maresal, according to my information, some Ju88 were built at Dornier, under Ju88 license. It is most likely a piece coming from a Ju88. Some components were built at different factories, for example the flaps on some Ju88 were built by Arado.

[cipiamon]

Did anybody have any records about other crash locations in that area?
Places like: Gradinari, Floresti, or Dragomiresti?

I heard of a men from Bolintin that was a witness at the crush place of me110, he was a little boy, he was swiming in a neabay river. I must go and ask him to recall, and if tha angle that the plane hit the ground was high it must burried there, it was not a crash-landing.
I can even escavete that land it belongs to a friend of mine. And in the time of war it was my gradfather's land.

I will soon give the info about that metal plate.

[Dr_V]

My grandfather was working in the Malaxa factory (afer war the factory was named 23 August) during the war (he was 13 y. o. in '39 and was an orphan). In one of the big allied raids targeting the factory (they've never hit it), the bombers attacked at night a nearby forest and leveled it completely. In that raid a bomber was hit by the AA fire and crushed near the true location of Malaxa factory, exploding when it hit the grownd and leaving a crater. It might still exist now in the 23 August (now Faur SA) factory complex, as the modern factory extends much more than the original Malaxa.

By the way, Victor, do you have any record of this event?

[cipiamon]

I'll ask some people if is still something today, but where is the crater, near the factory?
In Bucharest is much more activity then in a field, where i did not find anything left.

[Dr_V]

For what I know, the exact crash place is now inside the factory's yard, bu I can't be more speciffic. Maybe if we'll find someone that worked at 23 August in the 50's and 60's we'll know if the crater was simply covered with dirt or if some building was constructed upon it when the factory complex was expanded in Gheorgiu Dej's period. All my grandpa can tell is that it was about 100 meters away from the orriginal fence, but where exactly he can't tell.

[cipiamon]

is gonna be hard to find something here, there wil be probably no signs at all. We need to find crash sites in non accesible places. C-2 told me something about a romanian pilot crushed in hilly zone, and is hard to get there, and is anothere one that burried in the ground.

[cipiamon]

In general when a pilot bails out, the plane hits the ground at what angle?? aproximativly ..
I am talking about the crash place at Bolintin Vale. Maby a big part of the plane is burried there. My grand father told me that there was a big crater back then. Now is just a ALMOUST flat field.

I can buy a metal detector only from library, a kids model.....
i heard it detects around 10-15 cmm in to the ground