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Fake or Original?| mihai |
Posted: July 08, 2003 10:06 am
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I hace two item.
This is "Order of Michael the brave" Ordin Mihai Viteazul I don't know whether this items is original. :cry: Would you tell me whether this items is fake? :arrow: http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~fw4h-ksk/ForO Please tell me :?: |
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| Geto-Dacul |
Posted: July 08, 2003 04:45 pm
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Hi. You must have got the second one (model 1941) from "Galnum" on eBay... The cross may be original, but the crown and the ribbon look very "refurbished" to me (even if I don't see the ribbon in your image, I still got the eBay picture). If I'm not wrong, the model 1941 was also coming cased... Listen, "galnum" is a specialist crook of Bucharest, who's not only selling fake medals, but also very dubious ancient coins.
As for the first one (model 1916), I'm sorry but the crown looks again very strange (too new), and is similar to model 1941. If you purchased these 2 awards from the same "dealer", than I see... 
As I said before, maybe only the cross looks to be original... Best regards, Getu' |
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| mihai |
Posted: July 09, 2003 12:46 am
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Thank you for Mr Geto-Dacul
But,It's your misunderstand. This items didin't bought from person called "Galnum" as you say.And, Sorry, This items have not boxes,only orders. >"Listen, "galnum" is a specialist crook of Bucharest, who's not only >selling fake medals, but also very dubious ancient coins." Is "galnum" wrong person?As you can, Would you tell me the person "galnum" >"As for the first one (model 1916), I'm sorry but the crown looks again >very strange (too new)" I think so.Would you tell me the detail about th order 1916 Type?. I study the order more. |
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| Geto-Dacul |
Posted: July 09, 2003 05:01 pm
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mihai wrote :
Do not worry, because I swear to have seen a similar model 1941 sold by "galnum" on eBay... It is very possible that your 3rd class 1941 be totally original... But the crown was a little bit too "shiny" for me... See a similar item : http://anm.50megs.com/anm/Rom/Rom20.JPG I have several Military Orders of Michael the Brave : 1st Class model 1916 1st Class model 1941 with swords 1st Class model 1944 with swords 2nd Class model 1941 with swords 3rd Class model 1916 - miniature 3rd Class model 1916 mounted on a WWI bar 3rd Class model 1941 mounted on a WWII bar (Sorry if we cannot post pictures yet from our computers) Your 3rd Class 1916 looks good (the cross) but the crown is shiny and not too "classy" as were the first ones. Compared with the cross (who looks rather used), the crown is new and not-ternished, leaving a strange impression... That's my opinion.
A good person would not sell electrocorrodated ancient coins at the price of originals...
There are very few references about Romanian awards & decorations. Usually, Romanian books never inform us of the variations, the metals used, the mint marks etc. Best regards, Getu' P.S.: Are you "lathanders" on eBay?  |
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| Dénes |
Posted: July 09, 2003 08:35 pm
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Getu', are you 't.romanus' on eBay?
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| mihai |
Posted: July 10, 2003 12:32 am
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Thank you for Geto-Dacul
> have several Military Orders of Michael the Brave : >1st Class model 1916 >1stClass model 1941 with swords >1st Class model 1944 with swords >2nd Class model 1941 with swords >3rd Class model 1916 - miniature >3rd Class model 1916 mounted on a WWI bar >3rd Class model 1941 mounted on a WWII bar It's great! I'd like to buy items you have! 
>but the crown is shiny and not too "classy" as were the first ones. >the crown is new and not-ternished, leaving a strange impression... Yes,I think so.crown is too shiny,I think this item is fake, >That's my opinion. Thank you very much for your opinion
>There are very few references about Romanian awards & decorations. >Usually, Romanian books never inform us of the variations, the metals >used, the mint marks etc. So,I'sorry. :cry: >see a similar item : >http://anm.50megs.com/anm/Rom/Rom20.JPG This items is similar to items in this site. http://www.antiquesandmilitaria.com/Milframe.html In this site,I like two item of the order of star in commender calss.
p.s Are you 't.romanus' on eBay? If you are "t.romanua",I will be friends with you.
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| Geto-Dacul |
Posted: July 10, 2003 03:10 pm
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mihai wrote :
  Unfortunately, I do not sell anything yet... I'm a 'patriot' collector 
No, I'm not "t.romanus", but I know him personnaly. We can still be friends! |
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| Geto-Dacul |
Posted: July 10, 2003 03:12 pm
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Dénes wrote :
No, I'm not "t.romanus"... Actually, I don't have a personal account there... And you? Who are you on eBay? |
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| mihai |
Posted: July 10, 2003 11:46 pm
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I tolk my family's memory.
One of my ancestor was in 1944 in Romania. As result, He & his family were arrested by Russia. It's fact.
But I like Romania&her people. Speciffically the items of Romanian kingdom era. Romania isn't my homeland,but I love Romania as same as the people in the forum! |
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| mihai |
Posted: July 11, 2003 02:21 am
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Sorry,I@don't@‚ˆave :cry: Who are you on eBay? |
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| sobolan |
Posted: July 12, 2003 07:30 am
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Very interesting...this "galnum" from the ebay...just wondering which musem's collections is he selling... :?:
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| Geto-Dacul |
Posted: July 12, 2003 04:16 pm
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Don't know... The real question is if his items are original. In museums you generally find original stuff...
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| Dénes |
Posted: July 12, 2003 04:24 pm
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Apparently, 'Galnum' is not located in Rumania, but Switzerland:
Member since: Wednesday, Feb 12, 2003 Location: Switzerland Dénes |
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| Geto-Dacul |
Posted: July 12, 2003 04:45 pm
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He changed his profile recently; some 2 months ago, he was registered in Romania! He also has a shop in Bucharest. Switzerland is a top country of professional jewellers... So who knows from where he has the ancient coins. With today's technology...
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| sobolan |
Posted: July 13, 2003 07:21 pm
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Saw that too. That's just a front for his actions...no one will pay serious attention to a guy selling stuff on ebay FROM ROMANIA...fraud anyone?
So, he has changed his adress and profile, to better fit his needs... Judging by the quantity of "raw, uncleaned" coins he is selling...he may be looting some archeological sites or some museum collection. |
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