Picture of the Day - "Progress" in Iraq / Update

[Chandernagore]

Feel free to post a few from the independance war as well, or the Indian wars, the US/Spanish war ... anything will do. When it comes to hatred for the sake of hatred nothing is too good. Did you ever see a single American in you life, or where you just told to hate ?

[mabadesc]

First off, Maresal, I think you forgot to take your sedative this morning. I can just see the veins bulging on your forehead and it's not healthy :shock:

Ok, now among the many things you said was:

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Russia and Germany - both lost millions in the War...in the Wars. The US hardly lost anybody

And your point is.....? Is it bad that more people didn't die in WWI and WWII? I bet you would have loved to see more Americans killed by Germany, wouldn't you? :wink:

War massacres during WWII? I'm not familiar with the incident you described, but it takes some big "balls" to mention WWII and American war crimes. During that war, all countries committed some war crimes, but all amount to nothing when compared to what Germany and USSR did.

Next, you said:

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The word \"Democratic\" not longer has any significance, - no longer means anything because if the Iraqi people were to 'elect' a government it would be an Islamic type of government - and that is exactly what the US government is there to prevent!

1. The reason the US can't leave Irak right now is because Saddam Hussein (or someone like him) would come back to power.
2. I'd like to hear your definition of democracy.
3. Why are you so concerned with democracy since you personally don't like it anyway? From past conversations with you it results that you liked Romania better under Ceausescu (not a democracy), one of your political idols is Antonescu (hardly a democrat), and you really admired Germany under Hitler (another less-than-democratic country).

By the way, regarding Irak, even if a radical government would be *elected*, that still wouldn't be acceptable. Democracy is not just about the will of the majority, it's also about not infringing on the rights of the minority. Those instances are called the "tyranny of the majority" and they don't constitute a democracy.

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I would not like to be american right now. Luckily I'm not.

Not to worry, America is lucky you're not American.
But you are Canadian. How does it feel to be part of the US's 51st state? That's pretty much what Canada is, right?

Alas, Maresal, the days of Ceausescu and Antonescu have come and gone...no reason to be nostalgic, though. :wink:

[Chandernagore]

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But you are Canadian. How does it feel to be part of the US's 51st state

Now really they should come down burn Washington once again

[mabadesc]

I'm beginning to think he actually would if he could.... :wink:

[PanzerKing]

Der Maresal, you just love to hate Americans don't you?

How on earth could you compare the Jewish holocaust, as well as all the victims (millions upon millions) in Europe & Russia that were killed from Germany's war to the few American GI's that executed a fewthousand or less SS guards and troops? Oh yes we Americans were so bad...that's why we set up all those death camps across Germany to kill the little children. :twisted: :roll:

The only difference between Nazis and Americans are the uniforms!?! My god you are more brainless than I thought. How would you like it if I said "The only difference between Russians and Romanians were the uniforms"? or how about "The only difference between Romanians and Hungarians are the shape of their helmet"? Not funny is it? :roll:

Sounds like that person would have to be pretty f**king ignorant to me...

I'm beginning to think you don't the first damn thing about America, try being a citizen! You sit and preach from Canada like you are so oppressed, well you know nothing of what really goes on.

I disagree with pretty much everything my country does internationally, I oppose it strongly and hope to help change it one day...but do not think for one goddamn minute that the people you see running things in the US are the same as the people that live in it everyday...

[mabadesc]

Maresal,

Just curious, what's your opinion on the Holocaust?

[Dr_V]

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PanzerKing: How on earth could you compare the Jewish holocaust, as well as all the victims (millions upon millions) in Europe & Russia that were killed from Germany's war to the few American GI's that executed a fewthousand or less SS guards and troops?

Thaugh I do agree with you that "Der Maresal" exagerated, in my opinion those GIs are equally guilty of un-human behavior. By doing what they did they've proven that in any nation there are men governed by hate who don't think much before acting violent.

I don't say that Americans are bad, this is really stupid. Nor that the Germans as a nation can be blamed for the entire atrocity of WW2. I'm sure that there were hundreeds of thousands of Germans that were horrified by what their leaders were doing, but were too afraid to opose the monstruos fascist regime that ruled their country.

In my opinion the American troops as a whole acted very carefully in the liberated Europe and they're to be congratulated for that. We must remember that they suffered much in the fightings, as they were not very well trained, nor very effective in combat. They've won mostly by numbers and by their superiority in matherials and supplies. Of course they accumulated much hate against the German troops that decimated them and this was much increased when they saw with their own eyes the atrocity of the concentration camps. Personally I'm amazed that they did not tried to avenge their lost comrades by killing more German prissoners or civilians. For that I respect them.

But the event we're refearing to here proves that any army (and any nation) has its bad elements. I'm sure that those GIs were not congratulated by their officers, maybe they were even punished. Irational hate is an ugly thing wherever it appeares. They only succeeded to prove that they personally were no better than the SS killers they've shot. But this has absolutely nothing to do with the American people or with your Army in general.

[Chandernagore]

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Maresal, Just curious, what's your opinion on the Holocaust?

I protest, Mabadesc. The question is a trap !!

[mabadesc]

Well, I really was curious, but you're right, it can be perceived as a trap.

I withdraw my question.

This thread is hostile enough as it is.
No need to make it even more controversial. :wink:

[inahurry]

Those GIs shot the Germans because they were ordered to do so. It is a war crime. The commanding officers should have been put on trial for war crimes. Is this why US government wants immunity for its soldiers and puts a lot of pressure on servile governments, like the Romanian one, to accept it ?

Mabadesc,

My previous post was ironic, you took it literally. The guy I quote from is no communist at all, on the contrary is clearly supporting the neo-con plans for introduction of draft.


http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.89:

The proposed Senate bill - Universal National Service Act of 2003

Read and chill. If something like that passes you can bet world war (real, not the terrorist scam) is behind the corner.

[Chandernagore]

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Read and chill. If something like that passes you can bet world war (real, not the terrorist scam) is behind the corner.

So they plan to recreate some kind of militia, minute man or I don't know what name, which was key concept to their defense during their early history. I have no real opinion on the presumed utility in the current circumstances but I fail to see how you jump from militia to WWIII.

[mabadesc]

Inahurry, you said:

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Mabadesc,   My previous post was ironic, you took it literally. The guy I quote from is no communist at all, on the contrary is clearly supporting the neo-con plans for introduction of draft.

Don't misquote me - that's beneath you. I never said they were communist, I said they were crazy.

All communists may be crazy, but not all crazy people are communist. :wink:

And relax, just because an article was written doesn't mean it's going to become law. You'll also find all sorts of white supremacy articles, but that doesn't mean slavery is coming back either.

[Chandernagore]

I have an hypothesis why some people hate the US against all reason.

The US is a nation uniquely build around common ideas, not common race, common culture, whatever. The US soldiers of WWII were from English, Italian, Japanese, Black (I generalise here), Irish, German, native Indian etc ... ethnicity. This stunningly successfull melting pot of nationalities and cultures created the militarily strongest nation in the world. As such it is an absolutely unbearable fact for racial nationalists who, naturally, would like the US to fail just to comfort them in their own badly contradicted theories.

Mmm, it seems to hold together :roll:

[Geto-Dacul]

Yes, the American society could be qualified as the "first essay of a global society". But I wouldn't care of them if they would stay where they are and not enter in the politico-economical affairs of other nations with even greater histories and cultures.

And also, for the bombs thrown on us without any good reason by American "Liberators" in 1943-44, of course that it would be natural that people like Der Maresal dislike them.

Getu'

[Der Maresal]

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How on earth could you compare the Jewish holocaust, as well as all the victims (millions upon millions) in Europe & Russia that were killed from Germany's war to \"the few American\" GI's that executed \"a few thousand or less\" SS guards and troops?

Hi American,

Blaming others for their crimes does not make your own crimes seem less. The Germans and Russians may have committed crimes against one another but they did not do anything to your country or people. What right have you to go and drop bombs over their cities, to burn their famillies, to destroy their heritage. What right did you have to test atomic bombs on civilians? And what right did you have to judge them after the war for the exact same crimes you committed yourslef? ! Well,-- killing someone, you have the right to do- but to judge him;- that you have no right - just as you had no right no judge these men in 1946.


1)Conspiracy to rearm and committ a war of agression
2)Crimes against Peace
3)War Crimes
4)Crimes against Humanity


Don't think that your country won't someday be judged for these same crimes- for you have committed them all plus so much more!
Your country has it's hands full of blood. I'm not trying to be Anti-American but I'm trying to warn you that what you have done to other peoples -someday it will come back to you..
It will all come back..you will see

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Russia and Germany - both lost millions in the War...in the Wars. The US hardly lost anybody.

Correct.
Russia and Germany having gone through 2 World Wars and truly understand what war is. They seam to have had enough.
America on the other hand [who never experienced a world war on it's own soil] seams to want more wars and is searching 'uncontrolably' for an ennemy to fight with...anybody. -Someone said that "if you don't have an enemy you create one- it look in disgust at american television and see how war analysts debate "WHO" the ennemy of America will be in the future.."definately militant islam"says one..No China is our next ennemy says the other!", and then Army Generals talk that "the wars of the future will be fought in Space"..the Battlefield of the future will be Space...therefore we need to rearm..!..we need that multi-billion dollar shiled an so on...the 'threat to America will be from space"... and so on..

Man! go fly a kite or something- think about other things than war and maintaining your global supremacy - this is not bound to end good for you! I'm sure the average american has nothing to do with this - and that it's only the madmen in power who are behind this - but again, how did they get there and why have the peoples allowed these monsters to rule your country?
if the average American had not slept, and cared more about who runs his country, this would not be happening. There is alot of ignorance in America, amongst the average poppuation - you truly think you live in paradise. "The price people pay for not getting involved in politics, is that they are ruled by bad leaders"!!

:cry: - I should not be judging the effects, but the cause that created this. When children have bad parents you blaim the parents and not the children. Therefore if the founding-fathers of America were all Freemasons, I should not be judgind the results today.
*Your very Statue of Liberty donated by France (as you know )the very symbol of your country - is a freemasonic item. Go look inside - go into the statue of liberty and see on the plaque the inscription "that is was donated by the loge of "Le grand orient of france".

Your founding-father and first president George Washington was Freemason. The very man who ordered the atom boms dropped was one...as were many others. care to see a list? http://www.masons.bestofpickens.com/famous...us_masons.shtml

You need to learn more about this topic and you will better understand what is wrong with your country today.
enough about this, maybe now you can no longer say.... "

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well you know nothing of what really goes on.

...anymore. :wink:
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Oh yes we Americans were so bad...that's why we set up all those death camps across Germany to kill the little children.  :twisted:   :roll:

I'll show you pictures of dead children of all nationalities - you killed - if that's what you want to see.... But I would rather show you the camps across Germany you build,
-which did in fact exist..! :shock:

A systematic plan was established by your diabolic Eisenhower to punish the german nation and therefore starve out it's poppulation, prisonners and..children. Don't be in denial after reading this, and remeber the ..nurberg trial. :?

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In 1997 James Bacque published his Crimes and Mercies, which showed that more than nine million Germans (mostly civilians) died as a result of Allied starvation and expulsion policies in the first five years after World War II.  These deaths were not accidental, but were the result of deliberately genocidal policies instituted by Dwight Eisenhower and Henry Morgenthau.  They began planning for this in 1944, before the extent of the atrocities of the death camps became known.  (That more Germans did not starve to death or die of illness in the post-war years was due to the humanity of Herbert Hoover and others.) Awareness of this act of genocide has been suppressed for fifty years not only by the Allied governments but also by the German government.

http://www.serendipity.li/hr/bacque01.htm

http://www.codoh.com/review/revcrimes.html

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a reader's comments: QUOTE \"Bacque's book is an amazing revelation of some of the worst crimes ever committed in this century — the fact that they were covered up for so long only makes it worse.  After reading this book you will ask yourself who the 'good guys' really were.  The truth is that there were no good guys — only amoral manipulators and criminals — on both sides.  [Well, actually, as Bacque makes clear, there were some good guys: Herbert Hoover, Mackenzie King, Norman Robertson and Victor Gollancz among others.] This is the book the establishment does not want you to read — and with good reason! It tells of deliberate allied policy to 'reduce' the German population after the war by mass starvation.  Well, they succeeded, by 5.7 million to be precise — this in addition to the 1.1 million starved prisoners of war, 2.5 - 3 million murdered ethnic German refugees from Eastern Europe and tens of thousands of civilian forced labourers killed from maltreatement in France.  Bacque's other excellent book — Other Losses — gives more information about this hidden Holocaust.  Order this book now and forget the lies your history teacher told you — remember that history is only the version as told by the winners.\" QUOTE Millions of German civilians also died in what Germans now remember as The Hunger Years, 1945-48.  The Russians and Poles with the help of the US and Britain, seized one quarter of Germany including the best farmland and expelled some 16 million civilians.  This was the largest and most brutal ethnic cleansing in human history.  Millions of people, nearly all women and children, died in the trek.  The four occupying powers, including Britain, then prevented Germans from making fertilizer and destroyed their manufacturing capacity.  In total approximately nine million Germans died http://www.jamesbacque.com/. QUOTE                               TOTALS OF DEATHS                               Minimum     Maximum     Expellees (1945-50)   2,100,000   6,000,000   Prisoners (1941-50)   1,500,000   2,000,000   Residents (1946-50)   5,700,000   5,700,000                        _________  __________   Totals                9,300,000  13,700,000 Minimum 9 million dead - and this was done deliberately - on purpose. Don't think that history will not come back to hunt you for this.

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Personally I'm amazed that they did not tried to avenge their lost comrades by killing more German prissoners or civilians. For that I respect them.

I guess that destroys this quote - Shall I put the picture cover of the book and the numbers above see how many prisonners and civilians were killed? :? ??!

And the bombing during the war and the Atomic bombs..and the people who died then...and of lost things that can never be replaced.

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If your cities will ever look like that - you can't simply say

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\"Ohh, what did we do to deserve this??\"

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