Picture of the Day - "Progress" in Iraq / Update

[mabadesc]

Inahurry said

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So Washington Post is some sort of white supremacist newspaper now, interesting.

You continue to misquote me and twist my words. I already told you it should be beneath you, but apparently it's not.

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Also, a proposed US Senate Bill that clearly states all valid people in the fork of 18 to 26 years, men or women, should be enlisted for a duration of 2 years to serve the military or some kind of compulsory civil indenturing when the ranks of the military are filled is some kind of harmless talk.

Actually, yes, it is harmless talk. All sorts of wacky bills are introduced all the time. Only a small fraction even make it to the vote.
Senators propose bills all the time just to make their point of view known, without hoping that they will become law.
Rest assured, if there was a real possibility this would become law, all the TV media and all the newspapers would be screaming about it.

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I will reproduce a passage from New York Times that revolted, for good reason, the Brit Robert Fisk, the best war reporter of the moment.

Best reporter according to whom? You're completely missing the concept of "freedom of speech". Big deal if he's revolted - I'm sure he wrote articles that revolted other war reporters.
Wait.....what exactly is your point here?
You've got to stop associating newspaper articles with the country's opinion, or with the administration opinion, for that matter. But I guess that's too much to ask...

[Victor]

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This is sheer and purely criminal madness. The ignorance of these statements is staggering - he calls Belgium a fascist state during the war, a serious error. Can't believe this is allowed to be published on amazon's website. Amazing! The now banned member PogRomus said: \"If there is something more extreme then Jewish supremacism, I have not see it yet.\" How far is this from the truth, when we reed above statements?

Actually I think you can equally disgusting statements in Nazi or other extremist thinking.

[Chandernagore]

Here we go again. When you talk fascism you can't escape the Jews. They go together.

So, Thomas, if there was a proposal for a new holocaust, total extermination of Israel, you would be 100% for it, wouldn't you ? You would like it ?
Tell me Thomas what is your personal level of knowledge of Israeli people ? How many did you meet ? Did any one of them hurt you ?

Or (again) are you just taught to hate by your lovely SS friends which you hold in such great admiration ? What is your vision of European paradise ? The martial 4th Reich of the Übermensch North European New Order ?

Do you think that you have too much freedom of speech and that a bunch of thugs should take it away for you and from everybody ?

Oh so many questions. I'm sure you will answer none

[Chandernagore]

SS dream come true. The happy days. (Auschwitz-Birkenau)

The hard work of "skilful warriors who aired and breathed the militant spirit of those times"

NB: I refrained from posting pictures of what was inside. Some people are eating pop corn while looking at the forum. I wouldn't want them to mess up their keyboard.

[mabadesc]

Thomas V. said

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To my astonishment I found out that this book is still available at Amazon.com, the online shopping place of the Americans.

Hate to burst your bubble, Thomas, but you can also purchase Mein Kampf on amazon.com

That's right, it's called freedom of speech. Amazon.com, as a bookstore, has a policy of making available for purchase pretty much ALL books published. You can find all sorts of extremist books, it's up to the *reader* to decide what to purchase. Sounds nice to have a choice, doesn't it?

[Chandernagore]

It's kind of interesting but not surprising when an extremist points to an extreme situation to validate an extremist point of vue.

[Thomas]

Here are the latest deaths inflicted upon the various nationalities inside Iraq for the last weekend of November;

7 Spanish security agents: A car blocked their path, 3 gunners stepped out and shot all of the people inside the two cars. The bodies and cars were set on fire afterwards, and bystanders celebrated over the dragged out corpses while kicking the remains.



2 Japanese diplomats were shot from close distance while they stopped along the road to get something to eat. The Iraqi chauffeur was also slain. Images of the killed bodies could be seen on Japanese tv.

2 U.S. soldiers killed by an ambush, a third wounded.

This brings the coalition fatalities for this month to 109. With 99 billion spent for bombing and killing, 509 coalition KIA's have occured, 2.021 WIA's (and this is just the Americans), 0 vaunted WMD-sites have been found and an unknown number of Iraqis have perished, their number (civilians, soldiers, Iraqi police officers and civilians killed by accident) is in the thousands.

For sure this is a nice way to spend money ...

[MuddyBoots]

The proud, tall (approx. 1.30m) people of North Korea support the Irakian people in their resistence against the American oppressor. We suggest the use of eugenics and food shortages in breeding the perfect guerilla soldier (also known as the "city rat") which have proven effective in turning the Korean people into true war fighting (albeit quite small) machines.

Now the average Korean citizen can survive on a diet of tree-bark tea and sawdust, with neccessary proteins provided by the bodies of our enemies (or in the case they are missing, by the dead relatives). The advantage in a nuclear war is obvious: cancer cells would die of hunger, allowing us to nuclearly rig our own cities.

We also thank our Chinese allies for their continuing support, mainly demonstrated by the return of many North Korean traitors, which when returned were put to good use in our labour camps (you know, "Arbeit macht frei").

So, Iraqi brethern, do not surrender to the American aggresors. And maybe some day you will be almost as prosperous as us (or the Vietnamese).

[mabadesc]

Thomas said:

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With 99 billion spent for bombing and killing, 509 coalition KIA's have occured,

Considering the quasi-total destruction of the *organized* Iraki army in a war involving hundreds of thousands of soldiers on both sides, that sounds like an excellent casualty ratio to me. Just consider the number of casualties if this battle would have been fought during Worl War II. There would have been tens of thousands of dead soldiers.

By the way, what is it with you and your obsession with money, anyway? It didn't come from your pockets, unless you're a US citizen. Would you have felt better if the Anglo/Americans had fought with sticks and stones, just to level the playing field?

Muddyboots - that was a funny post. Way to go. :wink:

[mabadesc]

Here's a comparison of the evolution of precision bombing, as written in a declassified US military report. In case you want to read the whole study, here is the link: http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/dod/eb...-D-9085-024.pdf

World War II
1500 B-17 Sorties
9000 bombs
3300 ft. accuracy
1 Target

Vietnam
300 F-4 Sorties
176 bombs
400 ft. accuracy
1 Target

Desert Storm
1 F-117 Sortie
2 bombs
10 ft. accuracy
2 Targets

Iraki Freedom
1 B-2 Sortie
16 bombs
20 ft. accuracy
16 Targets per pass (capable of multiple passes per sortie)

I guess there's a reason modern planes/ammo is so expensive.
Of course, they do make mistakes, nothing/nobody is perfect.

[Geto-Dacul]

mabadesc wrote :

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By the way, what is it with you and your obsession with money, anyway? It didn't come from your pockets, unless you're a US citizen. Would you have felt better if the Anglo/Americans had fought with sticks and stones, just to level the playing field?

You know, there are hundreds of problems that humans are facing today in the world, and I think that with that money, many things could change in better...

Getu'

[Thomas]

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You know, there are hundreds of problems that humans are facing today in the world, and I think that with that money, many things could change in better...

That's exactly it. Almost had to puke when I read "mabadec"'s royal sucking up to war-situations, this "organised Iraqi Army" was actually nothing more than some low-moral conscripts with totally outdated army material and no idea of what was going on. The only thing that surprises me is that the resistance lasted so long in some areas. The destruction of a low-morale, conscript army is nothing new. Look at what the Wehrmacht accomplished in former Yugoslavia.

As far as the "excellent casualty ratio" goes, that's sick. Moderators must be having a long sleep or something. This excellent kill ratio large consisted of bombing civilians and herds of hopeless outgunned soldiers to their death from the sky. The glorious and brave American Army supported by the brave, yet anonymous, posters?

MuddyBoots was just yet another screenname of Chandernagore/Chandernagire. The usual forced 'humour', the referral to the camps and almost the same quote on how we all need a good war but of course, he won't be fighting it. On top of that, the posting was racist and insulting to Asiatic people. If I posed that about jews I'd be banned outright. Further, blaming Vietnam for its shabby economy is almost criminal. Who bombed who here? Who sprayed agent orange around, causing handicapped children to this day? I could post some shocking pictures but I'm not a fan of Greuelpropaganda. Who left mines, causing child deaths up to this day? The list is almost endless, I could even refer to the US-supported military coup in Chile by Pinochet. Our Americanophiles are dangerously quiet when it comes to that.

Anyhow, thank how this 99 billion could be spend when a smarter president was in charge. There's enough poverty and starvation in the world already, not to mention there's unfinished business in Afghanistan. 99 billion for destroying a country and causing about 20.000 deaths (civilians + soldiers) seems a rather high price for such a meager result.

If we are to believe the US-orientated reporting, 46 Iraqi 'fighters' (in the news here they were called 'attackers' - what the heck is that?), a rather large group. I wonder if this group was behind all the recent attacks. If they were, things should cool down right now. This should be a good thermometer to see how numerically popular the Iraqi resistance really is.

[MuddyBoots]

First - Vietnam: after the war with the US Vietnam and Cambodgia got into a fight. Vietnam occuppied, the Chinese invaded. Vietnam retreated from Cambodgia. Vietnam exahusted/destroyed by the war with the US? No way.

Germany took only 20 years to rebuild after WW1 and start WW2. So your arguments about how the americans are guilty for the state in which Vietnam finds itself today are totally bogus. Read your history.

About North Koreea. My post is quite accurate (I'm not so sure about the sawdust).

[url=http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGASA240042000?open&of=ENG-PRK] About refugees and punishments
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About "the return home"
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Public Executions
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North Koreean refugees testimonies (including mentions of cannibalism)
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About the height "racist remark": The average North Korean's height decreased during communism by 30 cms (from 1.60m to 1.30m). Limited food supplies can do that to a _whole_ country. North Korea, simply surprising.[/url]

[Chandernagore]

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The destruction of a low-morale, conscript army is nothing new. Look at what the Wehrmacht accomplished in former Yugoslavia.

They never managed to control the guerilla build up (wether Tito or Chetnik) and ended up tying down a considerable amount of forces in fruitless security operations. So, one could argue they accomplished nothing but screwing up Barbarossa by delaying it.

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MuddyBoots was just yet another screenname of Chandernagore/Chandernagire. The usual forced 'humour', the referral to the camps and almost the same quote on how we all need a good war but of course, he won't be fighting it.

Muddy boot's quote is actually rather opposed (but not incompatible) to mine. Perhaps you have difficulties understanding quotes.

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If I posed that about jews I'd be banned outright.

Ah yes, if I was admin you would have been kicked out 2 hours after registering that's for sure. You would'nt even have had time for explanations or apologizes.

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Anyhow, thank how this 99 billion could be spend when a smarter president was in charge. There's enough poverty and starvation in the world already, not to mention there's unfinished business in Afghanistan

What makes you think the US is under any obligation to spend 99 billions on foreign aid ? Nobody does justify a war on the grounds that it's a cheap and smart way of spending money. So condemning the war on that ground doesn't work very well either. There are other more valid reasons.

[Chandernagore]

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The average North Korean's height decreased during communism by 30 cms (from 1.60m to 1.30m). Limited food supplies can do that to a _whole_ country.

I find this hard to believe. 1.30 m is a dwarf. Do you have any sources ?