Picture of the Day - "Progress" in Iraq / Update

[Indrid]

[quote]You only make disparaging comments on the US army so, naturally, I didn't understand how your "respect" could possibly diminish [/quote]

could you comment on the use of the word" dispariging"?? :question:

[Chandernagore]

[quote][quote]You only make disparaging comments on the US army so, naturally, I didn't understand how your "respect" could possibly diminish [/quote]

could you comment on the use of the word" dispariging"?? :question:[/quote]

Scornful, belittling.

I find this link very usefull for word translations : http://www.babylon.com/
You can even translate from english to english to get synonyms :-)

[Indrid]

oh, my god, i am a scornful, belitting person!!!!!!!! :laugh:


by the way, do you know how much Chalabi makes a month? 350 thousand $..plus he ot a 40 million $ bonus for taking the job...not to mention that in Jordan he is a convicted fellon...

Boy, i am looking forward to this transfer of authority.

[mabadesc]

Indrid wrote:

[quote]oh, my god, i am a scornful, belitting person!!!!!!!!
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No, you misunderstood what Chandernagore was trying to convey to you.

He simply stated that your comments regarding the US military are scornful and belittling.

[dragos]

Uncovered photos showing coffins of US soldiers killed in Iraq troubles Pentagon

http://www.euronews.net/create_html.php?pa...1&option=1,info

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/04/23/mortu...s.ap/index.html

[Florin]

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Uncovered photos showing coffins of US soldiers killed in Iraq troubles Pentagon ...

Few days ago, two American journalists were fired for showing photos with coffins of dead US soldiers in an American newspaper. This contradicted a law enforced by the Pentagon in 1991, against issuing such photos in the American media. (Maybe that's way Donald Runsfeld was stricken by havoc when Al-Jazeera made public those images with American prisoners, and American dead, 13 months ago.)

Gee, I am more and more confused... What kind of freedom is this? You don't have the right to do this... You don't have the right to do that... All these kind of things related to freedom of speech and liberty of information... I guess the Iraqis are as confused as me by this kind of freedom.

It looks to me like "Sieg Heil" of some other guys...

PS: By the way.. My server do not allow me to attach photos from

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/coffin_photos/dover/

I even had (and still have) difficulties to access www.thememoryhole.org. But you, the guys living in Europe, should not have any problems.

I guess my server problems are related to the "information clampdown".
Explanation: "The Web site thememoryhole.org published more than 350 photographs of American war dead arriving at Dover Air Force base in Delaware, the nation’s largest military mortuary, prompting the Pentagon to order an information clampdown on Thursday."
(Source of text: CNN http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/23/...kets/index.html
Window: Gallery: Photos from Dover Air Force Base)

[Chandernagore]

What a fuss about a few coffins. Also it was my understanding that during wartime, press freedom obeyed to a different set of rules in all countries. I can't say I approve with tremendous enthusiasm but I'm not surprised.

[Florin]

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.......during wartime, press freedom obeyed to a different set of rules in all countries. I can't say I approve with tremendous enthusiasm but I'm not surprised.

There is a logic in what your are saying, and I have to accept it as common sense. However, if I would set a scale for the freedom of the American mass-media during a war, I would dare to set 100 for the Vietnam era, 40 for the 1991 Gulf war, and 30 for the Korean War, World War II and the recent ongoing war on terror (including Iraq). These rates are personally and wildly chosen.

[Chandernagore]

At the very least we can see why the near 100% freedom during the Vietnam war was a not so good idea... :? It was like a luxury rooted in overconfidence.

No wonder the military wants to avoid that happening again.

[mabadesc]

[quote]At the very least we can see why the near 100% freedom during the Vietnam war was a not so good idea... [/quote]

Good point...

This led to unfortunate excesses on the part of the radical liberals: When soldiers returned home to America, after all the misery they endured, they were being spit on and criticized by this portion of the population. They were called "baby murderers" and "monstes" by the media. Imagine average GI Joe Smith who comes home crippled, thinking he had fought for his country, and receiving this kind of treatment from his own people.

[cnflyboy2000]

[quote][quote]At the very least we can see why the near 100% freedom during the Vietnam war was a not so good idea... [/quote]

Good point...

This led to unfortunate excesses on the part of the radical liberals: When soldiers returned home to America, after all the misery they endured, they were being spit on and criticized by this portion of the population. They were called "baby murderers" and "monstes" by the media. Imagine average GI Joe Smith who comes home crippled, thinking he had fought for his country, and receiving this kind of treatment from his own people.[/quote]
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That kind of stuff did happen, most notably, to my friend, now dead who was a Navy Seal...But it was not done, fortunately, everyday by everybody opposed to that war.
Those were not days remembered for their polite political discoursse, either side. He was furious about it and finally dealt with it just b4 he died.

But the fact is, that is the only war in history that was stopped by public opinion. By the end, most people were opposed to it. Without that end, (think of it what u may in the larger context of defeating the commies), the loss of life (50,000 U.S. dead, 10x that Asians by even conservative estimates) would have been far greater, maybe even of nuclear proportions. (I've heard from vets we were ready with battlefield tactical nukes).

Without the kind of reportage that went on it would probably have taken a while longer before public opinion turned. Was it excessive? Is war excessive?

Of course the politicians want to downplay casualties. This present policy is part of the famous "Dover Test"; i.e.: how will it look when flag draped coffins r flown into Dover AFB here, is the question. Not good, is the answer.

It was started by BushI when a TV network did a split screen of him delivering a speech on one side of the screen, while coffin(s) were being offloaded other side during the Panama invasion (remember that one?) He was pissed and started "no photos of coffins" policy.

Their respnse here, given the wall to wall coverage we r mostly getting (burned bodies hanging from bridges, etc) is being viewed by some as a gaff. The coffin pictures are actually pretty reverential, as should be.

I think it a scandal that Bush isn't there at Dover, receiving these boys and girls home and consoling their families, let alone trying to censor pictures of them. It won't work anyway.....What strikes me is how transparent the whole thing is; there really is nowhere for them to hide the results their half ass planning and inadequate tactics.

[Chandernagore]

One decent type trying to set things right in Najaf as head of the Coalition Provisional Authority is Phil Kosnett. This guy was actually a wargame designer years ago and some of his games like Ice War or Titan Strike are still on my shelves. Sometimes he pops up in a hobby related forum to speak about his job in the midst of player discussions about Irak.

It's absolutely unreal...

Go, Phil !!! :keep:

[Chandernagore]

And here is the proposed flag for the new independant and sovereign Iraki republic :

[Indrid]

the flag does not show :|

[Korne]

Maybe Chad got it first