Picture of the Day - "Progress" in Iraq / Update

[Florin]

[quote]However it is curious why that guy was interogated by the CIA and in the end he got on the hand of those terrorists :question:[/quote]

[quote]I wonder about this myself...
He was arested by US forces and held for quite a while until sent free.
A friend of my was very serious when he said that those masked guys,who behaded the American were also Americans who wanted to let their atrocities in the Iraki jails forgoten...[/quote]

For Dragos and C-2:

You are very smart, guys...
I had some thoughts which I preferred to keep for myself, and I still keep for myself.
The only sure fact in the video is that one person from those 5 is able to read and speak in Arabic. The rest... masks from head to toe.
The poor American guy was expert in telecommunications, and he had his own little company (one man company). So he travelled in Iraq by himself, hoping to make deals and bussiness. However, everything regarding the American economic involvement in Iraq is already sold to the very big sharks, so I do not think there is room for individuals hoping to make a business for themselves. So this may be a clue for his arrest by my fellow countrymen.

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The knife scumbag has been id'd with "high probability" as Zarqawi.
(tech anaylsis, voice on recording of the act)....[/quote]

...And the identification of the voice and the dagger was made by CIA, right?
I would feel better with some additional confirmations... like from other secret services.

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If this is a widely held view, I'd say the U.S. has got more credibility problems than i'd imagined in MY worst nightmare.....[/quote]

I do not think the U.S. has credibility problems, toward the rest of the planet. It simply has no credibility at all, in this moment. Well, it had in the past! And I am optimistic it will have in the future. So let forget about nightmares... :cheers:

[cnflyboy2000]

[quote]I do sympathize and to a great extent agree with the Palestinians, but don't fool yourself, Al-Qaida and similar groups (including the former Saddam regiime) have nothing to do with the Palestinian cause. These groups simply declared war on the Western Christian world.[/quote]

Yes, but I understand that, rooted in Saudi Arabia, (and Egypt?) they arose as religious fundamentlists dedicated to turning these countries into absolute theocracies.

My understanding is they r equally at war with Arab secularism and Christianity. Their enemies include any government they deem inadequately in strict adherence to their (fundamentalist) version of the Koran.

[cnflyboy2000]

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The knife scumbag has been id'd with "high probability" as Zarqawi.
(tech anaylsis, voice on recording of the act)....[/quote]

...And the identification of the voice and the dagger was made by CIA, right?
I would feel better with some additional confirmations... like from other secret services.[/quote]

Yes, u r correct, CIA analysts made the id. (NYT,5/14)
I agree, confirmation would be ideal.

But two things r apparent to me;

1. if u r a believer in CIA conspiritorialism, it's likely that NO amount of independent evidence/data will change your mind. (If you've ever talked to, say, a JFK assasination conspiracy theorist, u may be inclined to agree with me here; u may know how well equipped with tunnel vision is the average conspiracy believer.)

2. Everthing right now is under such a microscope in the media and in Congress, that the CIA would have to be either wishing for it's own demise or more inept than has been previously demonstrated (and that's to say VERY inept) to even THINK about pulling such a stunt.

In fact, Iraq is rapidly becoming the most transparent war in American history. If there is an upside to this whole sorry affair, it is the revelation of just how open American democracy is become. It's as if NOTHING goes unobserved. Not by design, btw; I think it's just the way the media can operate in a fundamentally free country.

I'm proud of that, as an American, at a moment during which there are some things to be not so proud of.

[Chandernagore]

[quote][quote]If wars are now declared on such loosy ground as who dislikes who [/quote]

You seem to forget that ...[/quote]

Let's not begin the same warmongers' dance that the Bushites served us before the start of the war : new reasons for war popping up each time the previous ones are dismissed.

Moreover what you bring forward here is based on international law, a concept not recognized by this administration.

[Chandernagore]

Meanwhile, Blair's makeshift raft shows serious signs of sinking. He may soon be asked to pack up and leave.

In Bagdhad the coalition of the leaving struggles as the head of the Iraki governing council fell in the rebel shopping basket. If they get targeted like the Hamas leaders there will be soon no candidates for the post.

It's all going south but Great Leader must... well... "stay the course", you know... and pay for it with others' blood. Just how many lifes he's prepared to waste in this increasingly hopeless entreprise will appear clearly to all if he's ever re elected.

Does he have a son in the armed forces in Irak ?

[mabadesc]

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Let's not begin the same warmongers' dance that the Bushites served us before the start of the war

It's just the cold, hard, truth which you (once again) choose to sweep aside and dismiss.
But it's still the truth, my friend....you can call it any names you want...

17 UN resolutions broken, armistice agreement broken...
You can't deny this, so you call it "warmongers dance" and you ignore it...

[mabadesc]

Florin wrote:

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So he travelled in Iraq by himself, hoping to make deals and bussiness. However, everything regarding the American economic involvement in Iraq is already sold to the very big sharks, so I do not think there is room for individuals hoping to make a business for themselves. So this may be a clue for his arrest by my fellow countrymen.

Sorry to contradict you, Florin, but your statement isn't accurate. If you bother to ask military people who have recently served in Irak or research this topic on the internet, you will find out that ever since the war has been over, there has been a large flow of US individuals (mostly uneducated) travelling to Irak in hopes of finding highly paid jobs in various blue-collar work and the overall reconstruction of the country. So Berg was one of many, many Americans doing the same thing.

By the way, as far as I know, he was not a telecommunications "expert". He was climbing up on telephone poles, and he was ready to take pretty much any job in Irak. You make him sound like a businessman, which he was definitely not. More like a handyman (meserias).

[Florin]

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....... there has been a large flow of US individuals (mostly uneducated) travelling to Irak in hopes of finding highly paid jobs in various blue-collar work and the overall reconstruction of the country.  So Berg was one of many, many Americans doing the same thing. By the way, as far as I know, he was not a telecommunications \"expert\".  He was climbing up on telephone poles, and he was ready to take pretty much any job in Irak.  You make him sound like a businessman, which he was definitely not.  More like a handyman (meserias).

I heard at an American TV channel that he was an telecommunications expert. So OK, I have to be blamed that I believe too much what I hear at TV. (I repeat, the source of news was American.) Also at TV I learnt that he had his own telecommunications company (one man company). Also I heard his father saying he had to write to the US authorities to release Berg in Iraq from our (i.e. U.S.) custody. I think his sister also declared Berg was arrested by our authorities in Iraq. But as far as I know, our military authorities denied they detained Berg in Iraq.
So OK, blame me, and not the TV. I am fine with that. :cheers:

[Florin]

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....... 1.  if u r a believer in CIA conspiritorialism, it's likely that NO amount of independent evidence/data will change your mind. .....

I am sorry to say you are wrong. I am willing to change my mind, if additional facts will pop-out. Even another confirmation from an independent American watchdog (i.e. other American organization) would be enough to erase from my mind the kind of thoughts I expressed here before.

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.......2. Everthing right now is under such a microscope in the media and in Congress, that the CIA would have to be either wishing for it's own demise or more inept than has been previously demonstrated (and that's to say VERY inept) to even THINK about pulling such a stunt.

Desperate times request desperate measures... If nobody said this before, consider I just created an adage. :wink:

[Chandernagore]

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It's just the cold, hard, truth which you (once again) choose to sweep aside and dismiss. But it's still the truth, my friend....you can call it any names you want...

The cold hard truth : Warning, WMD falling on your head within 45 minutes !

With that sort of truth we don't need lies :roll:

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17 UN resolutions broken, armistice agreement broken... You can't deny this, so you call it \"warmongers dance\" and you ignore it...

That's too funny when the Bushites bring up the UN as an argument. The UN did not give the US green light for war. The armistice of 91 was not signed with the US of A but with a coalition under UN mandate and so the decision did not belong to the US of A either. It only fits the utter contempt of the neocon junta for any international agreements, law or organization that they jumped over everybody's head and advise to have their dearly needed little war. In future history books there will perhaps be a small instructive note about The Unilateral Governement (in the "disastrous experiments" chapter).

The number one winner is clearly Al Quaeda as a majority of ressources have been turned away from anti terrorism operations to be engulfed in a war with fairy tale objectives. The Taliban control most of Afghanistan again and terrorists can engage the target at will in either country.

But Great Leader is in direct communication with God during carrier landings so things may yet fall in place somehow.

[Chandernagore]

[b][size=18]Fahrenheit 9/11

The new movie that the Republican administration struggles to censor.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/f...ilm/3722769.stm

This is an angry film about greed, the abuse of power, the betrayal of the people by their leaders.
The independant.

[mabadesc]

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So OK, blame me, and not the TV. I am fine with that.

Nah, Florin, nobody is to blame. You're right, nowadays neither TV nor the press is reliable. Each channel/newspaper tells the same story in drastically different ways. They like to put their political spin on everything (both parties).

Cheers... :cheers:

[mabadesc]

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It only fits the utter contempt of the neocon junta for any international agreements, law or organization

International law, agreements, and organization at the UN? You've got to be kidding...
The UN is a joke, my friend...

Nobody takes it seriously. Saddam certainly didn't. :nope:
It took the British and the Americans to deal with Saddam. The UN would have let Saddam walk all over them for another 12 years and 17 resolutions.

P.S. By the way, isn't there currently an investigation on the UN Assistant Secretary General, something to the effect that he took cash kick-backs from Saddam from diverted food-for-oil trades? Oooops... :oops: not looking good for the UN.

[Chandernagore]

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International law, agreements, and organization at the UN?  You've got to be kidding... The UN is a joke, my friend...    :lol:

Well, for a regime which doesn't believe in such cowardly, unmanly things as diplomatic talks, certainly. But then I don't think Bush has any idea what the UN is or what it's goals are. In spite of the UN being designed and build by the US.

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Nobody takes it seriously.  Saddam certainly didn't.   :nope:

Oh, Blix showed there was no WMD. But only Bush didn't take him seriously. Go figure...

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It took the British and the Americans to deal with Saddam.

Deal ? You mean that picture where Rummy is shaking Saddam's hand ? Oh, by the way, now that Saddam is gone, with who are the soldiers "dealing" in Irak ?

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The UN would have let Saddam walk all over them for another 12 years and 17 resolutions.

Yes, why not. Worked well enough with Lybia. Anyway AWOL Bush needed blood real quickly and wasn't going to let the UN spoil the game.

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P.S.  By the way, isn't there currently an investigation on the UN Assistant Secretary General, something to the effect that he took cash kick-backs from Saddam from diverted food-for-oil trades?  Oooops...   :oops:  not looking good for the UN.

Mabadesc, if I didn't know you a little I would think you are working for Fox TV or the republican psyops department. But I prefer to think that you choosed to believe in Him... (Bush I mean)

[Chandernagore]

Oh, guys. It really started this way :

http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shoc...enlargement.htm