What fighter plane do you think Romania should use?

You have a source (link) for Brasilian's SU?

Thanks,

Iama

Iamandi,
These are the links that I found on the Brazilian Su-35 Flanker purchase, posted by you. So thank you, because if you had not posted then I would not know about the purchase.

Ok lets start with Lavi.
Lavi was a development of the F16. That is why US killed it. The Chinese Chengdu J-10 except canards is not a copy of the Lavi.Some parts might reseble with parts of Lavi , but there is no direct copy. If there is a plane that looks like it , then is the Eurofighter
J-10


Lavi


Check the F16 roots in it.

You are confusing Su 37 with S-37 (now called by Suhoi Su-47).
Su 37 was a Su 35 prototype with Thrust vectoring. Su 35 was a improvement of the Su27(it was called before Su27M). RuAF had only 6 prototipes for testing variopus types of avionics.

About Brazilian tender ... that would had been russian ideea , to try to sneak the Su35 in to a exchange deal. the Brazilian Fighter Contest it was postponed. No winner in that.
RuAf opted for a Su35. Well the opted for the Su27SM , which will strangelly be named by Suhoi Su35BM (they just like to mix the names ) wich will be more like our Lancer program ,updating older Su27 airframes with new avionics and maybe engines. Hell there is a clear gap between russian Suchoi's and Chinesse ones.. The chinnes do have the better planes with modern avionics and modern weapons .

Some info's about russian Su35BM

So as you see the aquisition of new figheter is a hard to digest thing. Production of one is even harder one

Sources: http://aircraftstories.free.fr
Air Combat Information Group.
Picturs are from ACIG contributor page.Overscan's website.

This post has been edited by tomcat1974 on January 06, 2005 08:54 am

tomcat1974, please in the future mention the sites you take photos and info from.

Iamandi,
These are the links that I found on the Brazilian Su-35 Flanker purchase, posted by you. So thank you, because if you had not posted then I would not know about the purchase.

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Iama

Tomcat1974,

It is true that the Lavi was developed from the F-16, however the US did not kill the Lavi as you claim it did. What happened was US lifted an arms embargo, which it had placed on Isreal because of their bombing of Iraq's Nuclear reactor in 1981. That made hundreds cheap F-16's availiable to Isreal, so Isreal cancelled the Lavi in August 1987.
Also every single source that I have ever read regarding the J-10, clearly stated that the J-10 was developed form the Lavi. Do really think Isreal would pass up a chance to sell a fighter design that, Isreal is not even using?
The Brazilian and Russian orders are for "new" and not rebuilt aircraft. Also their is a Rumor in Air International that cliams that Vietnam has a requirement for between 18 and 36 "new" Su-35 in addition to the 12 Su-27SK which they already have and the 24 SU-30MKI's they have on order. I'am sure that other export customers will follow in due time.

Thank

This post has been edited by Stephen Dabapuscu on January 07, 2005 08:35 am

Raptors Cleared to Fly Again


" LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, Va. --- Air Force officials cleared the F/A-22 Raptor to resume flight operations Jan. 6 following a comprehensive review of procedural and engineering data.

One of the aircraft crashed Dec. 20 at Nellis Air Force Base, Nev., which caused a temporary halt to flying the most technologically advanced fighter in the world, officials said.

The investigation of the accident continues. However, enough information is available for Air Force officials to be highly confident in the design, testing and development of the F/A-22s. With about 7,000 flight hours already logged in the Raptor and an overwhelmingly positive safety record when compared to previous aircraft development programs, officials said they determined that flight operations can be safely resumed.

No one was injured in the Dec. 20 accident that destroyed the aircraft."



B-1s Return to Flight

"LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, Va. --- The B-1B Lancer fleet returned to flight status Jan. 5 following a six-day grounding.

Air Combat Command leaders halted flight operations for B-1Bs on Dec. 30 because of a possible nose landing gear problem.

Concerns leading to the flight suspension have been addressed, command officials said. "

Both extracted from US Airf Force releases

Iama

Iamandi please stick to the topic.

Any official or half official news about this subject? Because... , for example others are not sleeping:

Gripen Training Starts


Source: FMV Swedish Defence Procurement Agency


"The first Hungarian pilots have arrived in Sweden to start their Gripen conversion training

The first five Hungarian pilots, who will undergo conversion training to Gripen has arrived in Sweden today. For the next year, they will be based at the Swedish Air Force F 7 Wing at Satenas, the Swedish training center for Gripen.

The Commander of the Skaraborg Wing, Colonel Fredrik Hedén said, “I am delighted to welcome our Hungarian Air Force friends to F 7 Satenas. I very much look forward to working closely with these pilots during their stay here and also building a strong and lasting relationship for future Swedish Air Force and Hungarian Air Force co-operation”.

During their period of training, these pilots will be trained to an instructor level and undertake theoretical training, simulator training and flight training. After their year in Sweden they will return to Hungary and work as Gripen instructor pilots in the Hungarian Air Force.

The next group of Hungarian pilots will arrive in Sweden in the summer of 2006. They will start their training in Sweden and finish it in Hungary where they will be trained by their Hungarian instructor colleges. "

Iama

It's hard for me to come up with a well-thought out answer at this time, but I hope you guys (Romania) does what's best for you, without any political BS or outside pressure.


Matt

And...

First Hungarian Gripen Ready


Source: FMV Swedish Defence Procurement Agency


"STOCKHOLM, Sweden --- At a ceremony today, Saab presented the first Hungarian Gripen to roll off the production line at its factory in Linköping, Sweden. The ceremony took place in the presence of the Hungarian Defence Minister Mr Ference Juhász and the Swedish Defence Minister Mrs Leni Bjorklund as well as representatives from the Hungarian MOD, the Hungarian Air Force, the Hungarian Ambassador to Sweden. From Sweden, FMV’s acting Director General, Saab’s Deputy CEO and the MD for Gripen International were also in attendance.

“The roll-out of the first Hungarian Gripen is a significant milestone in the Gripen for Hungary program. I am delighted that the Swedish government and Swedish industry have demonstrated their technical and program management excellence in the delivery of Gripen aircraft to the Hungarian government” says FMV Program Director Mats Hansson.

During 2005 there will be another 5 Hungarian Gripen aircraft in production. They will be completed during 2006 with the first aircraft being delivered in March 2006.

After the final assembly stage, the aircraft goes in to a period of ground test and flight testing conducted by Swedish Gripen pilots from Saab and FMV. "


Iama

Why is Romania wasteing so much time? Romania needs a better fighter then the ageing Mig-21. The SAAB JAS-39 Gripen should be exactly what the Romanian Air Force needs to maintain Air Superiority. A purchase of about 48 Gripen's will be a good start, perhaps later on, a follow order 48 or more may be possible. The Gripen will help the Romanian AF become a first rate air arm.

Thank You

It has recently been released that last September (2004), Israeli F-16 jets shot down 2 Syrian Mig-29's in a dogfight over the Mediterranean Sea.

One Mig was shot down by a Python-4 missile, while the other was destroyed with an AIM-9M Sidewinder.

In response, the Syrian President has intensified efforts to acquire an advanced anti-aircraft system.

I guess those crappy old F-16's can still kick some ass.

Source: http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/0...3413.05625.html

Lavi was not killed by the US but by lack of fundings and mainly by IAF who didn't want to the type as being way too expensive design !!


Alex

Can you tell me where did you hear about the 2 MIG's shot down by IAF ? This starnge newpaper tells about an incident in 2001 and NOT 2004..if at all...on both cases I havent heard any details......finally your " old crappy" F-16's are Block 40,50 and even Block 60's F-16I .

Even the older Block-30 F-16's which some of them are on storage now and rest used for operational and advanced pilot course ..are still better equipped than the rest of the F-16's you know....but since you guys are guessing a lot on here ..I am not guided by guessing neither by stuff that flies left and right on the air but things I know for sure

Alex

This post has been edited by alexkdl on February 14, 2005 07:30 pm