What fighter plane do you think Romania should use?

Turkey orders 30 F16C Block 50 for 2,9 Bn.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/turkey...-for-29b-02671/

Iama

Pay attention, general Iamandi!
30 more planes - that means the Turks have had F16's for some time now...
We'd be "virgins" from this point of view, both to F's and to Gripen's, right?
How many nations have begun buying F16's in the last 20 years from scrap? I mean, how many were in OUR situation...

This post has been edited by MMM on March 04, 2009 04:52 pm

Sorry,but on the same logic,we should never aquaired new planes ever and stck to Vlaicu 1 All the countries that deploy F 16 had a first time,even the americans.

You missed my point: the idea was NOT to take into account the countries that previously owned F16's, but only those beginning to do it! As the states having already F16's would not choose another type, right?

Why not?
Radu

Why keep in service TWO types of airplanes with similar performances and roles? Of course, not the big powers (i.e. UK, France, Germany etc.), but states such as Poland, Romania, Absurdistan

hey,Triple M,Absurdistan keeps three types of planes !HaQ

Well, check your sources. There is "apparent duplication" of equipment in every nation in every branch of the armed forces. I am not aware of any nation that has only one type of "Swiss Army Knife" one-for-all equipment that covers every type of task. Take for example the US Navy. For a good while they used F14 and F14 on the same ship at the same time. They also have up to three different types of helicopters on each ship at one time. They also have up to four or five different types of support aircraft (AWACS, ASW, etc) on the same ship at the same time. They manage.
You will find that many armed forces purchase various equipments to fit the task. They may use a rifle for regular fighting and a sniper rifle for long distance shooting. They may use an anti-tank gun against AFVs and a howitzer for field artillery. Many armed forces, including Romania also have a summer dress and a winter dress uniform.

So, RoAF may need various aircraft that cover a few "bases" such as interception, interdiction, ground assault, etc. - the Lancer comes in two "flavours" already.

I do not know you, but I am sure that you have a pair of trousers that you wear on occasions such as wedding and christenings. You may also have a pair of slacks for regular wear. You may also have a pair of overalls that you wear when you do some work. I am sure you see nothing wrong with that.

Radu

OK, but I'm not as poor as Romania's defense budget! Obviously, you don't believe either we could re-arm with both F16 and Gripen! I just pointed out the irefutable fact that if a country previously owned some F16's, it was the natural choice to continue with that branch, not to change its preferences. And you know very well that all theplanes anove-mentioned have "flavours" to air-air and air-ground roles, don't they?
One more thing, please: STOP COMPARING US WITH THE US NAVY OR USAF!

MMM,
What makes you think that I "obviously" do not believe that Romania can get both F16 and Gripens? What the...?

The fact that previous clients of F16 who contine to purchase F16s proves that they are happy with it.

OK, I will not compare RoAF to USN or USAF, if that makes you so uneasy. Wow, this was my first mention of USN and you explode like that?

- Hungarian Air Force uses MiG29 and JAS39 Gripen, Aero L-39
- Bulgarian Air Force uses MiG29 and MiG21.
- Czech Air Force uses JAS39 Gripen, Aero L-39, Aero L-159
- Slovak Air Force uses MiG29 and L-39
- Polish Air Force seems to be the only one that uses F-16s exclusively

But this proves nothing. As you so loudly put it, let us stop looking at others.

Radu

This post has been edited by Radub on March 06, 2009 03:40 pm

What makes me think that? The fact that, up to now (!) we don't have either of them - and when we'll eventually have one, I guess we'll still retain some other type of planes too...
You didn't find either a country with both types of aircraft, did you? As for comparing Romania with USA inthematters of fleet (aerial and naval), this is obscene, because of:
1. Possibilities
2. Tradition
3. Purpose
If you'd like me to explain more, just ask

I could not find many countries that use both Gripen and F16 because so few use the Gripen. I imagine that there would not be much of a problem in using both. It is all a matter of finances, really.

But you said "Obviously, you don't believe either we could re-arm with both F16 and Gripen!" and I was trying to figure out where did I make that so obvious...

Radu

1. No funds enough for one type of them, let alone two!
2. Problems raised by the many types of spare parts, types of fuel, ammo etc. Imagine how would that be during a conflict...
Obvious, as in common sense - but you became a stubborn Irishman (or is it a pleonasm/tautology)?

Please check your facts Radu; the Polish Air Force operates a mix of 36 Mig-29's, 48 f-16's and 48+ Su-22M4 Fitter K

Thank You

I could not find many countries that use both Gripen and F16 because so few use the Gripen. I imagine that there would not be much of a problem in using both. It is all a matter of finances, really.

But you said "Obviously, you don't believe either we could re-arm with both F16 and Gripen!" and I was trying to figure out where did I make that so obvious...

Radu

Not true, Thailand operates both JAS-39 C/D's and F-16 A/B's. As for not many nations interested in the JAS-39 Gripen here is a list of current and potential operators!

JAS-39 Gripen operators:

Current operators:

Czech Republic: 14
Hungary: 14
South Africa: 28
Sweden: 204
Thailand: 12
UK: BAE- 2, Empire test pilots school- 4

Potential operators:

Romania: 48
Bulgaria: 16-18
Brazil: 36-120
Croatia: 12-16
Denmark: 48
India: 126, plus 64 options
Netherlands: 85
Slovakia: 16-18
Switzerland: 22-33
Vietnam: ? could be up 180 to replace their Mig-21's

Even if the Gripen wins half these contracts; thats alot of Fighters sold, in todays slow defense market.

Thank You

This post has been edited by Stephen Dabapuscu on March 07, 2009 01:08 am