What fighter plane do you think Romania should use?

Read more about CCIP, MLU and OCU (using f16.net):

- http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article2.html
- http://www.f-16.net/news_article687.

You CAN make a block 1 to block 50 standard using MLU without the powerfull engine of block 50. Show me how you can upgrade a Golf 1 to Golf 6. using kits provided by VW factory. Can you visualy identify a F16 A/B to a F16 C/D? You can not.Can you diferentiate between a Golf 1 and a Golf 6?
PS F100-PW-229 turbofan is a upgraded version of a F100-PW-200 turbofan. You understand the word UPGRADED?It's not the word NEW is UPGRADED. Why don't you make a new topic on f16.net saying that you think that F16 A/B and F16 C/D are not the same plane.That will be funny.

This post has been edited by STI on March 08, 2009 10:42 pm

Read this very carefully STI:
Allow me to make an analogy. Let us say I have a 10-year old computer. I change the mother board, I put in a faster processor, I put in more RAM and add a much larger hard drive. I keep the casing for the main unit, the keyboard and the monitor. I show it to you and I say to you "This is my stronger, faster computer" and you say "But it is the same". I explain to you that the inside was changed, where it really made a difference. the outside did not need to change because it is basically sound. You still say, "No, it is the same! Look, it is the same casing, the same monitor and the same keyboard."

Take the B52 for example. The outside stayed mainly the same since its first flight, but everything else was changed where it mattered: engines, electronics, capabilities.

You can put a stronger engine and a more powerful electronic suite in an older F16. How in the name of all that is decent and fair is that THE SAME? The outside of the F16 does not need to change because it is basically sound. The wings/fuselage shapes and dimensions are based on the laws of physics that have not changed since then. If they cancelled Newton, please let me know, because I missed all that.

Now, will you stop trying to bamboozle me with words and opinions and please show some figures. Let us compare the performance, capabilities, price, value of the Gripen and F16 and let the figures speak for themselves. Words, as you clearly demonstrated, can be manipulated according to personal whims and agendas.

All the best of luck to you.

Radu

This post has been edited by Radub on March 09, 2009 09:29 am

Well, Radub, you DID actually say that the F16 from now is entirely different from the 1978 one! Check your posts...
I wanted to argue with you on the computer thing (if you got the money to change everything inside, why not change the whole thing?), but I guess it degenerated too much already - good night for now!

Yes, I said "The current model is significantly (if not completely) different from the 1978 model."

I apologise for using the words (if not completely). It was unwise for me to use those three words. The fact that the current model has a "slighltly different" engine, a "radically different" electronic suit and has "noticeably different" peformance does not really qualify for the "completely different" description. Sorry!

However, I never said that they were two different aircraft. I said that the two models of the F16 are different.

Anyway, I am tired of this. It proves nothing.

Radu

This post has been edited by Radub on March 09, 2009 09:20 pm

Several posts were deleted.

STI, if you find yourself unable to comply with the forum rules, then you can always go some place else to express your opinios. The door is opened in both directions. This is a final warning.

Radu, MMM and the rest. This subject has become too hotly contested and I am afraid it degenerated into pointless arguing from which nothing good can come. The topic will be temporarily closed for people to cool down and maybe return to it with a more calm approach.

Edit: Topic reopened.

I was looking over some old news and I read how the IMF opposed Romania's intention to buy some attack helicopters around 10 years ago.

The IMF argued that the 2 billion dollar deal would increase Romania's budget deficit.

Now we're about to get a big IMF loan (with strings unavoidably attached) and I think the IMF won't look favorably on Romania's intention to spend 4 billion dollars for the fighter jets. Could the fighter jet deal be postponed for another 2 years at least? Maybe we would end up asking NATO to help us out by sending fighter jets like in the case of the Baltics.

That would be really pathetic.

Truth is that in Romania nothing happens fast, It takes allways a lot of time and every single involved person has a different opinion...

This post has been edited by Hadrian on March 20, 2009 05:28 pm

Postponed undefinitely, huh? Very possible, as there aren't too many votes to be won from renewing the fighter fleet - as opposed to increasing the "pensions" and the benefits of the camarila.
Imperialist, what happened to the Baltic states, anyway?

I just read this in this an article

,,In September 2008, the Wall Street Journal’s use of the term “advanced F-16s” was generaly interpreted to mean the standard F-16 C/D Block 50/52+ models requested or bought by recent customers like Chile, Greece, Morocco, Poland, Pakistan, Romania, Turkey et. al. Subsequent statements from the IqAF confirm this impression''.


The article may be read on this great site

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Iraq-S...Fighters-05057/

The key-word is requested - and that proves quite effectively which is the measure to trust http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/ !!!!!
They'd be so happy to have more and more customers so that their factories keep on working!

It seems current and former members of the Ministry of Defense want to reduce the number of the fighter planes to be bought or to postpone the whole deal for several years.

Viorel Oancea: buying 16-24 fighter planes would be OK from NATO's point of view. Dobritoiu seems to think we should wait 8-9 years and then buy F-35.

http://www.gandul.info/actualitatea/nato-n...ml?3927;4122360

So what would be better, then: to postpone it undefinitely or to buy just a handful of planes? Each option has its advantages: the first one would be better for the budget and the second one would be good as at least some pilots would havethe chance to get used to a new model of airplane.

Iraq aims to buy 18 F-16 fighters in '09

Provided funds are made available by Iraq's Parliament, he said his goal was to acquire up to 96 F-16s through 2020. He cited the F-16C/D Block 50/52 models now being produced for Poland, Israel, Greece and Pakistan.

The Iraqi Air Force chief said the initial F-16 squadron would cost roughly $1.5 billion, including logistics, spares and pilot-training plus a trainer fleet of 15 T-6A Texan aircraft built by Hawker Beechcraft Corp.

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/i...E53035J20090401

Phew! They have something we don't (except civil war, of course): OIL! The world crisis (WC ) hasn't hit them (OPEC) yet that hard, so...

Romania will upgrade the Lancers, wanting to use them until 2014! I think the decision to buy new planes will be postponed.