What fighter plane do you think Romania should use?

I don't want to take a side or other, but, IMO, for many reasons, this choice is strategically, the best. Not you or I will decide what plane we will buy.

About your statement quotted above, tell me what other plane, from our possibilities, or other modern plane, was tested in battle against enemies who don't "running away".

That was only a joke, not a statement.

As a side aspect to this discussion, does anybody has some precise data about the Elta Israeli radar of the Mig Lancer? More specifically, some sources states that in has the ability to scan up to 10 (8) targets, with the optional function to track/engage 2 simultaneously. Also, and more important - as the radar was considered similar in capacities with that used for the Russian Mig upgrade package (put to work for the Indian Mig 21 Bison variant) and was subsequently used for the Mig 21-2000 upgrade project - is it capable in tracking and engaging BWR/medium range targets, using medium range BWR AA missiles?

The presence of that latter ability would surely give the Lancer a + 1 generation status from that of the original MF.

This post has been edited by Agarici on January 16, 2010 09:55 am

The Elta EL/M-2032 multimode radar on the Lancer C has BVR capability

But since the Romanian AF did not buy any BVR missile, it doesn't really matter that the radar is BVR capable.

But since the Romanian AF did not buy any BVR missile, it doesn't really matter that the radar is BVR capable.

That might be true for a particular moment in time, but I think having this ability is a very important aspect; it actually means having (with or without ammo) a newer generation of plane then the older MF's, able to play with far better chances in the major league.

Agarici, what I said is valid not for just one particular moment in time, it is valid for all the life service of the Lacer C so far (10+ years). And very likely its remaining life until the end, a few years from now.

Without BVR missiles (live and training ones) and without the crucial software needed to make them work installed in the weapons contol system's computer there is no way for our pilots to realistically train in any kind of BVR engagement. And there is no way for developing BVR doctrine and tactics.

Having a radar which could support BVR engagements means really nothing as long as they don't have the whole system to train with it.

This post has been edited by Vici on January 16, 2010 01:19 pm

It's official now, Romania will buy 24 second-hand F-16s.

No.....
I just heard at the news... This is terible...

My Gripens??!!!

Any idea what Block they are suposed to be ?What price,if any ?Modernisations ?

Here is the news article:
http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-esential-70621...ogramul-f35.htm

It appears that we could recieve the planes for free!?
We say that "Calul de dar nu se cauta la dinti". Let's see how apropriate this saying will be in the case of F16...

Still,we need to know some details until we can judge the deal.What we know now is like" Romania decided to buy Ford cars "
Maybe the planes are free,but the training of the pilots costs $ 1 billion and the upgrading another $ 2 billions !
So,until we know some details the discution is pointless.

"Avioanele F-16 A/B din lotul 15, pentru care MApN a optat, au o vechime de 29 de ani. "

http://ziuaveche.ro/007/armata/1910-a-doua...hi-de-29-de-ani

Almost as our MiG`s

This post has been edited by Hadrian on March 23, 2010 09:27 pm

29 years old, so that makes it a F-16A? A second-hand F-16A?

6 years of "negotiations" for that? We need a "puke" smiley.

I think that, I recall that the F-16 blocks in this deal are used block 25/32 C/D! If this deal goes though, I can't believe that this the deal waited for 6 years. I could have happy if Romania got the same deal as Poland did; 48 new F-16 Block 52 C/D's plus many offsets! Instead 24 battle worn, high hour worn-out F-16's. I can't understand how Romania can defended by 24 worn out fighters. The only air to air they will carry is likey a 20mm canon and 2 or 4 Python 3's AAM's. Some please explain to me; why Romania and most of Europe don't seem care about there own defense?

This post has been edited by Stephen Dabapuscu on March 24, 2010 07:01 am